BREXIT - some assistance required

[Ocean1]

NZ First leader Winston Peters, who has long spoke up in favour of a Brexit, said the trigger point was the effects of mass immigration on the country and voters own economic and social futures.

"The irony is that this happened to a population of 64 million bringing in under 250,000 people a year in contrast to New Zealand with a population of 4.6 million bringing in comparatively three times that number, whilst totally ignoring the economic and social consequences."

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[carbonhed]

Meh... the Scots will go for whoever is funding their next welfare check. Offer them a groat more and they'll be on their knees with their arm out. Motherfuckers.

[jonbuoy]

I can only liken the Brexit decision to someone who has got tired of following the company rules and wants to start their own buisiness. They don't know if they will be better off but at least they feel like they are in charge of their own destiny.

The EU should only have been about easy travel and easy trading. There is/was never a need for a common currency or common laws. I can understand how it might be a bit awkward to live on the border between two countries and have to carry two currency's but people managed for hundreds of years this way. And even after the arrival of the car it was never a massive issue.

[mada]

Not everyone in Europe is upset.

[Duncan74]

Not everyone in Europe is upset.

Most striking is that Putin is being used to illustrate someone inside Europe where now 60m Brits are not.

[yokel]

[Berries]

Yes, I am going to listen to an American wank on about the issue with as much concern about what someone in New Zealand thinks. And if I was being picky I would say the cartoon misrepresents why there was an out vote. They had burkas on the streets of London 40 years ago by the way so no need to play the race and religion card.

[Voltaire]

The British will now be able to give the finger to the EU and buy vacuum cleaners with more than 1600 watts of suck.

There are probably other plus's......

If I was Spain, I'd be charging Brits for Visas...kaching.

Might log on to Andover Norton today and get some spares for the Commando which I now moved from next to the Euro bikes

[mashman]

I guess people aren't so afraid of change after all. Whodathunkit.

[YellowDog]

The British will now be able to give the finger to the EU and buy vacuum cleaners with more than 1600 watts of suck.

There are probably other plus's......

If I was Spain, I'd be charging Brits for Visas...kaching.

Might log on to Andover Norton today and get some spares for the Commando which I now moved from next to the Euro bikes

No visas required for POMs to travel in Europe. There hasn't been since before the EU.

You will need a passport, but you do anyway, due to illegals and terrorism.

You will need to change currency, no change there either.

I started this treat asking for reasons as to why not to vote for BREXIT. No one gave any

[Duncan74]

I started this treat asking for reasons as to why not to vote for BREXIT. No one gave any

Ok. So now we're here, this is my thinking on why if I'd been able to vote, I would have voted stay.

First off the UK has traditionally had influence way beyond it's population and resources on a world stage. As a small island with only 50-60 million population over the last few decades and no significant natural resources then why was it on the UN security council, why part of the G7, and have one of three key financial markets based there? So there was a logic that it was de-facto captain of team Europe now we are all part of a global economy, market, knowledge base. No matter how strong an individual is, compared to a team it is weak. Jonah Lomu or Saint Ritchie at their peaks were individually amazing, but in a game of them versus the local school second XV they would have been hammered. Assuming the EU act in self interest (and why wouldn't they) they will step up to make trade with EU zone and the rest of the world easy and make trade for the UK into the EU markets hard through trade tariffs.

For many parts of the Uk there is significant EU investment into disadvantaged areas. including Sunderland with their Nissan plant. So I see it likely that in the next few years there will be an import duty on cars into Europe, and so the factories in the UK will gradually be wound down. So less jobs, and more expensive imported goods for those in the UK due to exchange rates.

A lack of opportunities for skilled labour and for UK based business to trade across Europe. At a time when the rest of the free world is embracing the advantages from global trade, the Uk is now entering a period where there is at least uncertainty in what they can do and with who.

Note that Immigration was a bit of a red herring. Despite the Nigel Farrage rhetoric, then when pushed the out campaign did not say that they were going to substantially reduce immigration. Despite what is now being claimed by Winston over here. The UK has been in natural population decline for many years. Ie the population actually reducing as a result of more deaths than births. Immigration is the only thing that's increasing the population. Why is this an issue. Well look at the ages of people. The 'Natural' population, as with NZ, is getting older. And so the number of retired is going from a minority to a majority. In order to have the workforce to provide medical care, to stopck the supermarkets, to earn the taxes to pay the pensions, there needs to be some young people acquired from somewhere. So even now there's an exit from the EU, then there is as much, possibly more, of a need to bring in younger immigrants. Just as NZ has that same policy.

The talk of Scotland and northern Ireland leaving the UK is interesting. Whilst both had a mandate to remain in the EU, as standalone countries, I'm not sure that there's any Guarantee that the EU would want them, and so there's a huge issue of how they can leave the UK and then join the EU. SLim chance that a deal can be done prior to the UK exit to have simultaneous separation from Uk and entry to the EU as England an wales leaves, but that's so unlikely due to the complexity and timescales you can almost forget it.

And that's from the top of my head without fully investigating as I would have if I'd been able to vote.

[Voltaire]

I guess people aren't so afraid of change after all. Whodathunkit.

Cool, now all the English immigrants here here can go back to Little Britain and stop taking jobs and causing house price inflation.... .....oh hang on...sounding like a Sun reader.

[sidecar bob]

I see this has sent the yen into a bit of a flap too.
Not ideal for the 25percent of NZ jap car importers that are funding their empires with essentially borrowed Yen.
Don't loiter near tall buildings over the next few weeks.

[mashman]

Cool, now all the English immigrants here here can go back to Little Britain and stop taking jobs and causing house price inflation.... .....oh hang on...sounding like a Sun reader.

Fuck that... why shouldn't the rest of the world suffer the same as the UK. We're doing you a favour and we're bringing a better way of to life New Zealand, just like we did a few hundred years ago ... and I didn't complain when I didn't get my slaves upon arrival.

[mada]

UK certainly is divided....

There's the cultural differences, class, and age. Most the younger votes (those most likely competing with foreign workers too) voted to remain. Hows that going to pan out for their future.