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[TheDemonLord]

Really? Are you struggling with the concept of hypothethicals now?

I could just as easily have suggested the 30 billion could have been spend on a landmine clearing programme instead of seeing a large proportion of it go to institutions that will no doubt one day turn out scholars who invent even more elaborate means of killing people.

(That's another hypothetical - in case you missed that).

The only thing I'm struggling with, is fathoming the depths of your delusional world view.

I'll put it simply:

Throwing money at the Symptoms doesn't fix the problems - it's why most charities aren't making any significant progress. Handing people food and medicine is nice and all, but actually addressing the root causes (such as poor sanitation, western infrastructure that is incompatible with the conditions found in the 3rd world, agricultural sectors that aren't resistant to adverse weather cycles) is what fixes the problems, it is what allows the society to build itself up.
the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation runs their charity much like a business: using proven strategies and methods to solve problems and investing wisely in innovative solutions to address the root cause of problems.

Why did Mr Buffet give his $30 Billion to them? Maybe because they represent the best option for actually turning that Money into a lasting and meaningful change, instead of just throwing it at the symptoms (like most Charities do)

[Katman]

Why did Mr Buffet give his $30 Billion to them? Maybe because they represent the best option for actually turning that Money into a lasting and meaningful change, instead of just throwing it at the symptoms (like most Charities do)

Well see, that all comes down to what Bill and Melinda consider to be 'meaningful change'.

Oh, to wield such power.

[TheDemonLord]

Well see, that all comes down to what Bill and Melinda consider to be 'meaningful change'.

Oh, to wield such power.

Yes, and thank fuck it's not paranoid delusional fuckwits like you who wield it.

In the meantime, Bill and Melinda are looking at things such as:

Erradicating Malaria (considering its one of the biggest drain on both medical and human resources in the 3rd world)
Waterless Toilets (so by improving sanitation, you reduce the amount of disease that is spread by infectious waste)
Increasing crop yield for sub-saharan farmers (moving them from subsistence farming, dependent on the weather to being able to sell a surplus, and give the next generation an education)

You know, things that address the root cause of some of the biggest problems faced.

[Katman]

Yes, and thank fuck it's not paranoid delusional fuckwits like you who wield it.

In the meantime, Bill and Melinda are looking at things such as:

Erradicating Malaria (considering its one of the biggest drain on both medical and human resources in the 3rd world)
Waterless Toilets (so by improving sanitation, you reduce the amount of disease that is spread by infectious waste)
Increasing crop yield for sub-saharan farmers (moving them from subsistence farming, dependent on the weather to being able to sell a surplus, and give the next generation an education)

You know, things that address the root cause of some of the biggest problems faced.

And if 100% of the 30 billion went towards purely humanitarian causes like that I'd be the first to celebrate.

It's the percentage that goes towards less than humanitarian causes that concern me.

[TheDemonLord]

And if 100% of the 30 billion went towards purely humanitarian causes like that I'd be the first to celebrate.

It's the percentage that goes towards less than humanitarian causes that concern me.

And who are you to decide what is and isn't purely humanitarian?

What percentage do you believe goes to less than humanitarian causes? Do you have any objective evidence to this statement?


Also - no you wouldn't celebrate, you'd find some batshit, delusional and crazy reason why it didn't in order to protect your warped views on reality - you'd then bitch about it on KB as proof of one (or all) of your conspiracies..

[Katman]

What percentage do you believe goes to less than humanitarian causes? Do you have any objective evidence to this statement?

Money that goes towards learning institutions has the potential to be corrupted.

Money that goes towards the pharmaceutical industry has the potential to be corrupted.

(And the influence that the donor then holds over the learning institutions is of no little concern either).

[TheDemonLord]

Money that goes towards learning institutions has the potential to be corrupted.

Money that goes towards the pharmaceutical industry has the potential to be corrupted.

(And the influence that the donor then holds over the learning institutions is of no little concern either).

So I asked

Do you have any objective evidence to this statement?

And the answer (as always) is no, you're full of shit as usual.

Oh and called it:

Also - no you wouldn't celebrate, you'd find some batshit, delusional and crazy reason why it didn't in order to protect your warped views on reality - you'd then bitch about it on KB as proof of one (or all) of your conspiracies..

[Katman]

So I asked



And the answer (as always) is no, you're full of shit as usual.

Oh and called it:

Hey, I'm just trying to explain to you how philanthropy can often be corrupted and how sometimes philanthropy can be practiced for reasons other than purely altruistic ones.

The fact that you seem intent on arguing against that concept suggests it's either you who has the delusional view of reality or that you simply like to argue for the sake of arguing.

[TheDemonLord]

Hey, I'm just trying to explain to you how philanthropy can often be corrupted and how sometimes philanthropy can be practiced for reasons other than purely altruistic ones.

No, you're trying to justify your beliefs - it's why you use vague words like 'often', 'sometimes', 'potential' - you don't have any hard evidence to back up the hate that you spew. It's why you are demonstrably full of shit (as usual).

And tbh - I'd rather 100 charities that actually get shit done for non-altruistic reasons than 1 charity that just addresses the symptoms and therefore perpetuates the problem for purely altruistic reason.

The fact that you seem intent on arguing against that concept suggests it's either you who has the delusional view of reality or that you simply like to argue for the sake of arguing.

No, I'm arguing against a delusional fuckwit who tries to smear everyone who has ever made a large profit as Evil people who can't possibly do any good in the world, to the point that when they are doing good in the world, it's all for nefarious reasons anyway.

[Katman]

No, you're trying to justify your beliefs - it's why you use vague words like 'often', 'sometimes', 'potential' - you don't have any hard evidence to back up the hate that you spew. It's why you are demonstrably full of shit (as usual).

And tbh - I'd rather 100 charities that actually get shit done for non-altruistic reasons than 1 charity that just addresses the symptoms and therefore perpetuates the problem for purely altruistic reason.



No, I'm arguing against a delusional fuckwit who tries to smear everyone who has ever made a large profit as Evil people who can't possibly do any good in the world, to the point that when they are doing good in the world, it's all for nefarious reasons anyway.

Dude seriously, enough with the autistic tantrums.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude seriously, enough with the autistic tantrums.

So, you've scraped the bottom of your conspiracy barrel, found it to be as empty as your intellect and have to resort to insults.

It's nice to see you being as vacuous as ever.

[Ocean1]

So, you've scraped the bottom of your conspiracy barrel, found it to be as empty as your intellect and have to resort to insults.

It's nice to see you being as vacuous as ever.

Took you long enough, I usually manage that in one post, two at most.

[Ocean1]

I wasn't disputing that the rich have more disposable income to spend on charity.

So not sure how you have a clue what my beliefs are, but yeah, they are comforting.

Your "beliefs" are so far divorced from reality that nobody would be surprised if you denied even that obvious fact.

Nah, that sort of stuff simply doesn't happen... there's too much goodness and integrity in their generous donations. Wonder what the charitable donation rebate is in the US?

Doesn't stop you spouting unsubstantiated crap every chance you get though.

See if you can find out how much Mark made out of tax rorts associated with this obviously dodgy deal: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/84...to-end-disease

[Katman]

So, you've scraped the bottom of your conspiracy barrel, found it to be as empty as your intellect and have to resort to insults.

Oh dear.

......you don't have any hard evidence to back up the hate that you spew. It's why you are demonstrably full of shit (as usual).

No, I'm arguing against a delusional fuckwit.....

[TheDemonLord]

Oh dear.

Yes, those are objective statements based on the evidence of your posts.