The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

Trump Prepares to “Take Over” the Federal Reserve! http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-p...eserve/5557824

[bogan]

Depends. If you think rich pricks are simply lucky then you might have a point. Although Larry Niven might have something to say about that...

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.

Which has to be better than having a significant number of voters simply voting themselves more welfare entitlements. Where "Better" = both ethically more correct and representing an actual positive feedback control strategy.

For the most part its good decision making, but look at cunts like Tamaki, Trump, etc Other dickheads like Crafar who make money while polluting and abusing livestock, slash and burn forestry/resource practices, con-men. All of those things look good on the balance sheet (at least for a while), but you'd not want them calling the shots.

Welfare voters don't seem to be an issue yet.

[Katman]

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.

What about the dumb fucks that simply inherited their money?

[oldrider]

Palestine, A Century after the Balfour Declaration: The UK Should Face Uncomfortable Home Truths: http://www.globalresearch.ca/palesti...truths/5555290

Trump reaction will be interesting! - (Remember: Israel did not exist until 1948 - https://history.state.gov/milestones...reation-israel)

[mashman]

Semantics, could be somebody else ideas that you agree with. Either way, it's pushing the ideas you wish to see happen. The effectiveness of the system is still in no way tied to how well it agrees with your ideals. You need to see past yourself in this regard, there is a bigger picture if only you open you eyes.

You're right bogan, you can't.

[mashman]

Trump Prepares to “Take Over” the Federal Reserve! http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-p...eserve/5557824

UBI, UBI, My kingdom for a UBI. Such coming from the banks will be treated with suspicion. Coming from the White House, less so, but at least it won't be coming from those dirty rotten banks that everyone knows is the problem .

[husaberg]

Palestine, A Century after the Balfour Declaration: The UK Should Face Uncomfortable Home Truths: (Remember: Israel did not exist until 1948 - https://history.state.gov/milestones...reation-israel)

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then.
looks like you might want to study up some more about when states were created.

Note The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not"

[bogan]

You're right bogan, you can't.

So lets go back a few posts before you started doing that, and you could explain just what problems smarter voters couldn't fix?

Unless you've instead found another cop-out while down looking for your glasses...

[Hemi Makutu]

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then.

Chosen to humiliate the Hebrews who rebelled against Roman authority ( & thus pointedly derived from 'Philistine')...
& those 'troublesome' Jews were subject to the 'diaspora'.. & expelled accordingly..

The Eastern Roman ( Byzantine) Empire took up Xian doctrines as official state religious policy, & ran the 'Holy Land' until finally ejected by militant Islam, from the C7th - with a few centuries of RC/Pope-pushed 'Outremer'
interruption, until WW1 & the Allied ( British for Palestine) victory 'mandate', which a ~100 years later is still
a cause of drama as the modern 'Outremer', kept afloat by Western funding/destabilization machinations..

"Not that there's anything wrong with that." - depending on your values...

[mashman]

So lets go back a few posts before you started doing that, and you could explain just what problems smarter voters couldn't fix?

Unless you've instead found another cop-out while down looking for your glasses...

What for? I've explained why there's no reason for me to engage, and the best you had was the usual projection, assumptive bullshit and finally the school yard, yeah but that's you not me.

[oldrider]

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then.
looks like you might want to study up some more about when states were created.

Note The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not"

There he goes just a chillin and a shillin - reminds me of the old advertising logo for HMV!

[jasonu]

The party picked the candidates, the people choose out of those candidates.


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The party is the people. Any US citizen can register to be a Democrat or Republican and that gives them the chance to vote for anyone who is running to be the party candidate for POTUS. It is called the primaries.

[Clockwork]

Oh wah. So you find you can't compete with unskilled farmers half a planet away, to what extent do you expect your countrymen to subsidise your lack of productivity?

And if wealthy investors and shareholders are doing better than you think they should then like everyone else you have the choice of not buying their product or setting up shop right alongside them.

Whining because you don't get paid as much as you think you should isn't going to change shit.

Yeah..... silly me, for living and paying taxes for a first world society. Of course I should be able to compete with worker in an economy where they are lucky to be allowed to work for a pittance or be left to starve in the gutter. Just so long as you can continue to consume for as little as possible and your share values keep rising. The rest of society, Hell, we're just holding you back. Shine on!

Don't you worry mate, me and mine will be fine. My fears are for our society and future generations of New Zealanders. Not everyone with means is as anti-social as yourself!

[oldrider]

Plenty of jobs during a war - no restrictions on importing or exporting of explosive goods - if you are lucky enough to live through them life is generally great!

The higher up the chain you get the more lucrative and safe the war is - plenty of ready cheap money available for war - ask any banker?

Everyday peace and loving? - now that is expensive unwarranted and unwanted - again - ask any banker?

[pritch]

Depends. If you think rich pricks are simply lucky then you might have a point. Although Larry Niven might have something to say about that...

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.

Which has to be better than having a significant number of voters simply voting themselves more welfare entitlements. Where "Better" = both ethically more correct and representing an actual positive feedback control strategy.

Ummm that line of thought has contributed to the Alice in Wonderland situation the USA currently finds itself in.

It's the "American Dream" if you work hard you will be successful - and therefore wealthy. Being poor is regarded as evidence of a character flaw, a sign of weakness. Poor white people in the USA do not regard themselves as poor that would mean they were weak. They regard their situation as a temporary setback, one lucky break and they'll be rolling in it. Before the steel mills, the coal mines, and the ports etc, all shut down the dream had some validity even if it wasn't quite real. For some time now though it has been pure fantasy.

Trump made promises which appealed to them as the answer to their problems ,so they bought into his nonsense. People are asking, "What happens when they realise they were lied to?" Most likely they'll be just that much poorer, because nobody else thinks Trump considers poor whites a priority.

Ted Cruz has apparently put himself foward as a candidate for the Supreme Court. Cruz is a prick. As another Republican said, he had better start sucking up to the politicians he has been pissing off for years if he has any expectation that he would be confirmed for the position.

The sun is shining, I should be riding the bike instead of reading about all this stuff...