The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Hemi Makutu]

Again, my experience indicates the opposite, most of the wealthy people I know inherited bugger all. Those that did "come into" some sort of windfall don't seem any more likely to be any better off a decade later than anyone else.

All I'm really trying to establish is that individual income is, for the most part a good measure of individual productivity. You'll fine a bunch of exceptions to that, Trumps and Hiltons maybe, depending on how you value their product, but I don't know any of them, down here where "rich" probably means a net worth in the top 10% I'd say it's largely accurate.

Tell us about how the redistribution of the world's wealth into the grasping hands of the 1%ers is a good thing..

While 'regular working stiffs' are made redundant, or at best endure wage stagnation, yet house ownership gets out of reach.. & mortgages become millstones..while banks make obscene profits..

Trump is proud that he paid no tax.. as many of them are, & the irony is.. the turkeys voted for Xmas..
Although, they'll be scrawny ones, financial worth-wise..

[Ocean1]

Tell us about how the redistribution of the world's wealth into the grasping hands of the 1%ers is a good thing..

While 'regular working stiffs' are made redundant, or at best endure wage stagnation, yet house ownership gets out of reach.. & mortgages become millstones..while banks make obscene profits..

Trump is proud that he paid no tax.. as many of them are, & the irony is.. the turkeys voted for Xmas..
Although, they'll be scrawny ones, financial worth-wise..

How about you look at this and tell us how badly income inequality is deteriorating.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...PN+NLD+NZL+GBR

And then maybe you can tell us why the fuck everyone should "earn" the same income.

[Brian d marge]

How about you look at this and tell us how badly income inequality is deteriorating.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...PN+NLD+NZL+GBR

And then maybe you can tell us why the fuck everyone should "earn" the same income.

That graph must have a very sore botty
The number of times u have used it


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[jasonu]

So here is Trump with the guy picked to be the new head of Homeland Security. Perhaps Mr Kobach should do a crash course in security 101.
This'd be funny if it wasn't tragic.

You are acting just like the USA (and others) media. Sitting there just waiting for something that suits your angle/stance/slant to point out, laugh at, ridicule....
Maybe Trump will be a disaster, maybe not. It is still a bit early to tell.

[Hemi Makutu]

How about you look at this and tell us how badly income inequality is deteriorating.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...PN+NLD+NZL+GBR

And then maybe you can tell us why the fuck everyone should "earn" the same income.

Are the cherries ripe for pickin' already?

Why come out with stupid commie shit like - "everyone should 'earn' the same income'?

Put up a link that shows how company ( inc' SOE's) executives have approved themselves ludicrously high incomes..

...while the 'regular working stiff' has got jack shit - by comparison..

Show how much that ratio has risen in the last 4 decades or so, & then compare the 'productivity' ratio..

[bogan]

Perhaps, although as I said in my experience people with productive habits benefit society more than those without them. But more to the point before you decide what surplus you're going to spend in which areas of society you have to have a net positive personal productivity.

Some like to claim that, presumably on the theory that capitalists don't agree with govt control over everything and therefore want to keep everything for themselves. My observations don't back that up, as I said in my experience rich pricks benefit society more than poor pricks. And be careful with "capitalist", there's plenty of rich pricks that aren't hard line capitalists, in spite of what Stupid World dogma may have to say about shit.

Maybe, but whereas personal tax contribution may be a measure of individual productivity, (not convinced it's necessarily an accurate one) it doesn't factor any level of commitment to policy change. Actually purchasing the chance to influence policy does.

I don't think either would produce a policy set that I'd want, I have to say. I'm simply pointing out that atm we have the opposite: a system whereby individual living standards are so far divorced from the cost of supplying them that you have whole nations that can't actually make the connection between production and the income directly associated with it. And voting accordingly. Rather than have the completely irrational farce that was the US elections isn't it better to attempt to reestablish at least the awareness of that link?

Which is beside the point, since being personally productive has not been shown to be linked to making good societal decisions. The theory that there is a link is sound, but not shown; and if you, as a productive member of society suggest making such a societal decision based on only a plausible theory and personal experience; I would suggest it goes towards disproving that theory

I wouldn't think it does either. Perhaps capitalist was too ambiguous a term, but it goes to the above point, do people who are good at obtaining personal wealth, have a skewed view on the more 'socialist' aspects of society, healthcare, education, conservation, welfare, etc.

If level of commitment is a factor, then why a flat rate? Why not a sliding scale based on income? But more importantly, why does conviction and commitment make a person a better voter?

I think such a link could be established with more of a middle ground, start with simply removing the right to vote from criminals and long term unemployment beneficiaries. The rest of society understands that link already.

[bogan]

You are acting just like the USA (and others) media. Sitting there just waiting for something that suits your angle/stance/slant to point out, laugh at, ridicule....
Maybe Trump will be a disaster, maybe not. It is still a bit early to tell.

[oldrider]

An example of what?

A lot of them certainly don't keep their winnings long.

Well yes - that was the example - well spotted that man!

[Brian d marge]

National radio how dare you publish such material, White van man will have a coronary

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201824574/helen-caldicott-anti-nuclear-warrior

Hidden deep deep on a sunday morning ......not easy to find ,,,,,but at least they did ....

[Ocean1]

That graph must have a very sore botty
The number of times u have used it


sent for a divine source

I've never posted that graph before.

[Brian d marge]

I've never posted that graph before.

Oh really

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[Ocean1]

Are the cherries ripe for pickin' already?

Why come out with stupid commie shit like - "everyone should 'earn' the same income'?

Put up a link that shows how company ( inc' SOE's) executives have approved themselves ludicrously high incomes..

...while the 'regular working stiff' has got jack shit - by comparison..

Show how much that ratio has risen in the last 4 decades or so, & then compare the 'productivity' ratio..

The graph I posted is Inequality of incomes after taxes and transfers, 1979 to 2013.

The data source is: Luxembourg Income Study (LIS) Database, http://www.lisdatacenter.org , If you don't think it's correct then you fucking put up a link that shows different.

PS: feel free to fail to explain how every person's daily value to their clients is worth exactly the same.

[Ocean1]

Oh really

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Yes really.

[jasonu]

There's that and then there's sitting there picking holes in something because you disagree with the result.

[yokel]

For every new regulation two must go, sounds not too bad .



Trumps latest episode of the apprentice,
This time it's the MSMs turn.