Rodeos

[Katman]

Do you understand why I asked the question?

The thread's about rodeos - in case you missed it.

[TheDemonLord]

The thread's about rodeos - in case you missed it.

I didn't

but there you go again.

[Katman]

I didn't

but there you go again.

Dude, you're so transparent.

You can't think of an angle to argue against me about rodeos so you're going looking for an alternative avenue that you can steer the thread down.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, you're so transparent.

You can't think of an angle to argue against me about rodeos so you're going looking for an alternative avenue that you can steer the thread down.

No, that is your paranoia talking - how about you answer the question?

[Katman]

- how about you answer the question?

If the capture and release of the animal is done with minimal negative impact on the animal's well-being (and if it's for genuine scientific purposes) I have no problem with it.

Satisfied?

[trufflebutter]

The thread has gone all bitch slap quicker than one of the Church Brothers could ever hog tie a raging bull.

[Katman]

The thread has gone all bitch slap quicker than one of the Church Brothers could ever hog tie a ragging bull.

I'm sure that's what you're hoping for.

[TheDemonLord]

If the capture and release of the animal is done with minimal negative impact on the animal's well-being (and if it's for genuine scientific purposes) I have no problem with it.

Satisfied?

Holy Shit! an actual answer!

So - Lets take that position (I'm putting the scientific part to the side for a moment) - minimal negative impact on the animal (with some caveats) is acceptable.

I don't have an official position on Rodeos - never been to one or worked in one, but I am extremely wary of banning something other people enjoy, lest that same line of reasoning be turned on something I enjoy.

I think there is a lot of merit in the principle that it is cruel and unnecessary, when done purely for entertainment. The question then becomes - what is the level of Cruelty and what is the negative impact?

I then ask - what is your views on Farming? in specifically, the raising of Animals to be killed? If I wished to be contrary for the sake of it - I would argue that a little agitation for 10-15 minutes (or however long a Rodeo session lasts) is preferable to death - especially since it is possible to live reasonably healthy on a vegetarian diet.

The point of the science question was to determine whether for you, it was an absolute principle: "No, there is no justification for harming an animal at all" or whether it was a principle that sat upon a continuum (at one end being acceptable but minimal 'cruelty' for a greater good, and at the other being unacceptable cruelty for not positive outcome)

The final question is perhaps this - assume an Ideal rodeo, where the animals are well looked after fed/watered/treated etc. and for a period of time once a week (or month or...) are agitated for a short period of time, with no serious long term issues (so no cattle prods, branding etc.). Would you be able to tolerate that?

I don't think that I personally would be able to support a Rodeo, even in it's ideal state, I also don't think I could justify banning it either.

This is not to say that there are probably scumbag operators in the same manner that there are scumbag farmers.

[Katman]

I then ask - what is your views on Farming? in specifically, the raising of Animals to be killed? If I wished to be contrary for the sake of it - I would argue that a little agitation for 10-15 minutes (or however long a Rodeo session lasts) is preferable to death - especially since it is possible to live reasonably healthy on a vegetarian diet.

I've hand raised animals that have ended up in my freezer.

Their death was as humane as possible and I gave them my own little moment of thanks every time I sat down to a meal of them.

[jasonu]

Dude, you're so transparent.

You can't think of an angle to argue against me about rodeos so you're going looking for an alternative avenue that you can steer the thread down.

Look out, it's a trap!!!!!

[jasonu]

I'm sure that's what you're hoping for.

It's what I expected.

[AllanB]

At the risk of being accused of youtubing, I'll just say that there's certainly no shortage of videos out there to help you with your research.

Fair comment KMan but there are also untold videos of dickheads on Motorcycles being, well, dickheads (am I wrong thinking Americans have a majority here...maybe they just film more).

I don't want motorcycles banned.

I notice the modern way is to find offense with something (often justified) then propose to ban it outright.

However is there a middle ground for this sport/entertainment/lifestyle that is not cruel to animals?

Like I say, I'd need to dive in a bit deeper to advocate a total ban.


Side note - I went to a Bull fight in Spain some decades ago - now that was rather graphic. The stadium was absolutely packed with what I'd estimate tens of thousands of cheering fans. Once was enough thanks.

Mind you the 'real fucky fucky' show I went to in Amsterdam had parallels to the bull fight, by the look on her face the actress was not particularly interested in being poked by the two men wielding large spear-like objects.

[TheDemonLord]

I've hand raised animals that have ended up in my freezer.

Their death was as humane as possible and I gave them my own little moment of thanks every time I sat down to a meal of them.

But it was still death? And a Death that was ultimately for a measure of your enjoyment?

Given the choice - would you choose to be executed by someone or to live a life where once a week you had to wrestle someone, but the rest of the week you were well looked after?

These are the reasons why I am extremely wary of calling for any form of Ban.

That all said, there is probably some room for either a code of conduct or set of standards to define what is acceptable and what isn't, so ensure that Scumbags don't get away with scumbaggery.

[Katman]

However is there a middle ground for this sport/entertainment/lifestyle that is not cruel to animals?

Possibly, but I suspect it would be a middle ground that would hold no interest for the people who participate in rodeos.

[Katman]

Given the choice - would you choose to be executed by someone or to live a life where once a week you had to wrestle someone, but the rest of the week you were well looked after?

Don't kid yourself.

Once the animal's bucking days are over, it's usually death anyway.