NZSBK 2017 Hampton Downs

[Drew]

As long as its more than two complete laps thats all that relevent IMO.

More than two laps COMPLETED.

The pedantry is academic, there simply isn't an argument.

[husaberg]

More than two laps COMPLETED.

The pedantry is academic, there simply isn't an argument.

You missed the bit i added.

As long as its more than two complete laps thats all that relevent IMO.
That said some of the MNZ rules are highly ambiguous.
You could drive a bus through F4 and F5.

Plus you seemed to have swallowed a thesaurus.
People argue rules all the time, more than two is still more than two.

[Doppleganger]

so if that's your logic the once the lead bike has crossed the finish then the race is over, no-one else matters...

Seriously!!

When the lead bike crosses the finish line having completed the race distance everyone else is allotted their position in the race once they cross the finish line

[Drew]

Seriously!!

When the lead bike crosses the finish line having completed the race distance everyone else is allotted their position in the race once they cross the finish line

Once they criss the finish line you fucken moron. Same as when a red flag is called, the result is calculated from the last time everone crossed the line.

[Doppleganger]

Once they criss the finish line you fucken moron. Same as when a red flag is called, the result is calculated from the last time everone crossed the line.

You're a fukin cock and a half aye

So by your logic once the red flag comes out everyone has to go balls to the wall to get the best place over the line!!! fukin idiot

[Drew]

You're a fukin cock and a half aye

So by your logic once the red flag comes out everyone has to go balls to the wall to get the best place over the line!!! fukin idiot

Are being thick on purpose. The lap preceeding the red flag. That means before the flag came our.

[ellipsis]

Are being thick on purpose.

...some people don't actually realise how thick they are, even when lead gently towards that conclusion...it's a human thing that is quite prevalent in our society...

[Doppleganger]

Are being thick on purpose. The lap preceeding the red flag. That means before the flag came our.

Still being a devils advocate here;

What if the whole field didn't cross the line preceding lap, what happens to them?

[Drew]

Still being a devils advocate here;

What if the whole field didn't cross the line preceding lap, what happens to them?

Anyone who crashed or had a break down before completing the lap pteceeding the red flag, are not eligible for points in the first part, and unless the rule has changed since Stroud did it at Ruapuna they can't start in the second part.

[Doppleganger]

Anyone who crashed or had a break down before completing the lap pteceeding the red flag, are not eligible for points in the first part, and unless the rule has changed since Stroud did it at Ruapuna they can't start in the second part.

Pretty sure you can start in the second part provide;

Same bike and has been examined by machine examiner
Been cleared by ambo staff
Gear checked by steward (holes in leathers ding in helmet etc)

[Drew]

Pretty sure you can start in the second part provide;

Same bike and has been examined by machine examiner
Been cleared by ambo staff
Gear checked by steward (holes in leathers ding in helmet etc)

Not if you went out before the lap preceeding the red flag.

This was illustrated when Stroud crashed at Ruapuna. No one knew what to do so he was allowed to start from pit lane or the back of the grid. Can't remember which.

He actually crossed the line first, but wasn't awared the win because he shouldn't have been there.

[KawasakiKid]

Not if you went out before the lap preceeding the red flag.

This was illustrated when Stroud crashed at Ruapuna. No one knew what to do so he was allowed to start from pit lane or the back of the grid. Can't remember which.

He actually crossed the line first, but wasn't awared the win because he shouldn't have been there.

Andrew Stroud gridded up at the front of the grid and after a very long discussion was made to move to the rear of the grid....in the meantime several bikes were overheating including Robbie Budgen's (almost certainly why the engine blew). Bloody officials could not make the decision on whether Stroud had completed enough distance of the previous start to be allowed to participate. I guess the 30 minute mark was approaching so they simply allowed him to grid up and then the shit hit the fan. Fucking useless ! One of the greatest races I have seen but Stroud should not have been part of it (apparently).

Said it before and saying it again..officials need to grow a pair and actually make decisions (in time)....or maybe this is why they are officials and not racers (some exceptions of course)

[jellywrestler]

Anyone who crashed or had a break down before completing the lap pteceeding the red flag, are not eligible for points in the first part, and unless the rule has changed since Stroud did it at Ruapuna they can't start in the second part.

If they have completed 65% or the part of the race they are allowed to start again, stroud went down, a couple of laps later the 2 bmw's went down red flag out, they checked the laps and if he had done one more lap it would have allowed him to restart.
at the time all the officials were having apit lane talk and i butted in to enquire what was happening and they hadn't even got a printout of laps to work out whether he could go back out.
as was he went out and started off the back of the grid but was later disqualified same as Scotty Moir at taupo.

[jellywrestler]

Andrew Stroud gridded up at the front of the grid and after a very long discussion was made to move to the rear of the grid....

my recollection was that he went out so late that he ended up on the back row, but only a recollection

[KawasakiKid]

my recollection was that he went out so late that he ended up on the back row, but only a recollection

No Andrew was out early (on time) and initially went to his grid position of the first start. I was in the pits near the start line, my friend Bill was a grid marshall, and was told by his 'boss' to move Andrew to the rear of the grid. Bill has no input into that call but the folk in charge had already used up the allocated 30 minutes fluffing around and had not made a decision until Andrew was on the front row. They should have had the decency to have made a call in the 30 minute window and informed Andrew he was not eligible to restart. A little bit of arithmetic does not take 30 minutes. This is the sort of thing that pisses everybody off. Albeit that officials generally do a great job with little thanks.....and who would be responsible if the unthinkable happened and Andrew was involved in a serious accident (when he should not have been there...in their opinion)