Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[mashman]

If you can't see it then I can't help you sorry.

NOW that sounds like a vaguely familiar thing to state. Pretty sure I stated that very thing several times to Graystone yet he persisted, so all I did was hold the mirror for him. So, watch it Woody, next step is arrogance. I don't see it, because no arrogance left my fingers. This has been confirmed by my wife who read the interaction through. I'd state what she had to say about it, but the internet would melt. Suffice to say she was confused as to why anyone would persist by badgering someone who doesn't want to share information with someone who clearly doesn't want to learn anything. Perception eh... anyhoo, I'm going with my Wife's because she knows the reality. And thanks for the offer of non-help that I don't need. As you know, I Am more than happy to help you with yours. Always will be. Love n hugs. Gordon.

[mashman]

To be fair, most of us are less wrong than him.

Only coz we're outside of the 1850's. Unfair advantage.

[Woodman]

NOW that sounds like a vaguely familiar thing to state. Pretty sure I stated that very thing several times to Graystone yet he persisted, so all I did was hold the mirror for him. So, watch it Woody, next step is arrogance. I don't see it, because no arrogance left my fingers. This has been confirmed by my wife who read the interaction through. I'd state what she had to say about it, but the internet would melt. Suffice to say she was confused as to why anyone would persist by badgering someone who doesn't want to share information with someone who clearly doesn't want to learn anything. Perception eh... anyhoo, I'm going with my Wife's because she knows the reality. And thanks for the offer of non-help that I don't need. As you know, I Am more than happy to help you with yours. Always will be. Love n hugs. Gordon.

Hey, any time you want non-help just non-call.

[mashman]

Hey, any time you want non-help just non-call.

As long as that's an exclusive offer. Deal.

[mashman]

I'm looking for feedback on how to augment the below approach because it entirely feasible to implement. All feedback appreciated... this is KB after all.

Put things in place to fund those who currently redistribute free food to those who need it. Building vertical hydroponic farms on the doorsteps of those very people and calling them community gardens. I'd look at slightly different ways of mixing current logistics to save on transport costs, sprays etc... Either way, should anyone struggling financially choose to turn down good fresh free food, and therefore not have another 17% in their pocket by default, then that's their problem. Where they do get 17%... well, they now have 17% more money without anyone really having to spend much outwith the investment required to build the farms. Even at that we could find the final year students who kick ass and offer them the contract to build them. Again, it's be cheap, potentially free, as these guys are already paid for given that they're still in education. What they would receive in return is a short-cut in terms of their industry standing. There are a few other, more maybe, important things I'd address too... but hey, let's start with the alleviation of poverty and maybe some knock on health effects.

[Jeeper]

I'm looking for feedback on how to augment the below approach because it entirely feasible to implement. All feedback appreciated... this is KB after all.

Put things in place to fund those who currently redistribute free food to those who need it. Building vertical hydroponic farms on the doorsteps of those very people and calling them community gardens. I'd look at slightly different ways of mixing current logistics to save on transport costs, sprays etc... Either way, should anyone struggling financially choose to turn down good fresh free food, and therefore not have another 17% in their pocket by default, then that's their problem. Where they do get 17%... well, they now have 17% more money without anyone really having to spend much outwith the investment required to build the farms. Even at that we could find the final year students who kick ass and offer them the contract to build them. Again, it's be cheap, potentially free, as these guys are already paid for given that they're still in education. What they would receive in return is a short-cut in terms of their industry standing. There are a few other, more maybe, important things I'd address too... but hey, let's start with the alleviation of poverty and maybe some knock on health effects.

How could they have 17% more money when you yourself say there would be no money? And setting a metric at 17% sounds like a law to me. You said there would be no laws.

[Katman]

How could they have 17% more money when you yourself say there would be no money? And setting a metric at 17% sounds like a law to me. You said there would be no laws.

My guess is that he's talking about a way of introducing an RBE concept while money is still in circulation.

And I also guess that the 17% is the average figure that people spend of their income on food.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm looking for feedback on how to augment the below approach because it entirely feasible to implement. All feedback appreciated... this is KB after all.

Put things in place to fund those who currently redistribute free food to those who need it. Building vertical hydroponic farms on the doorsteps of those very people and calling them community gardens. I'd look at slightly different ways of mixing current logistics to save on transport costs, sprays etc... Either way, should anyone struggling financially choose to turn down good fresh free food, and therefore not have another 17% in their pocket by default, then that's their problem. Where they do get 17%... well, they now have 17% more money without anyone really having to spend much outwith the investment required to build the farms. Even at that we could find the final year students who kick ass and offer them the contract to build them. Again, it's be cheap, potentially free, as these guys are already paid for given that they're still in education. What they would receive in return is a short-cut in terms of their industry standing. There are a few other, more maybe, important things I'd address too... but hey, let's start with the alleviation of poverty and maybe some knock on health effects.

Even though I know you won't read this.

Let's start of with this:

It's not a bad idea. But without an appreciation of Human Nature, doomed to fail.

Community Gardens have been tried before and with some success - the Allotments during WW2 in the UK for example doubled the UKs effective food production.

In order for it to work - there are 2 things that need to happen:

1: People need to be able to take responsibility for the Community Garden.

People who have the authority to take responsibility for something will look after it, If no one is able to take responsibility for it, then it will end up in a state of disrepair. People need to be motivated to maintain and look after it - and if you don't give someone the authority to fix a problem, then it's not their problem to fix. And if no one has Authority, then it's no ones problem to fix.

2: People need to earn it.

Now, I'm not talking necessarily about Money, I'm talking about something given for free has no value, something earned has an intrinsic value.

Perhaps the most well documented example of this phenomena is Lottery winners - many of whom were poor, got suddenly handed more money than they know what to do with and end up blowing it all, ending up in a worse financial position than before they won.

On the flip side, the poorest person in the world can take a series of rocks, build a drystone wall, stand back and enjoy the fruits of their labour and know that the wall has a value to them. They are then motivated to maintain that wall, because it has Value to them.

Apart from that - I actually think that an initiative that allows people to grow their own food, in an urban area, that will reduce their food bill is a good idea, but again - you need to factor in the Human equation.

[Jeeper]

My guess is that he's talking about a way of introducing an RBE concept while money is still in circulation.

And I also guess that the 17% is the average figure that people spend of their income on food.

I understand that. But humans come in different shapes and sizes, requiring different calorific input. Giving everyone the same amount sounds like rationing to me. Again, who will enforce it? Comrade Mashman says no need for government. Who else can be universal enforcer of laws?

[Katman]

....you need to factor in the Human equation.

That's why we should get rid of half of them.

[Katman]

I understand that.

It doesn't sound like it.

[TheDemonLord]

That's why we should get rid of half of them.

Ja, Führer Katman.

Da, Tovarisch Katman.




On the plus side, any time from now on that you try and claim some form of moral superiority in regards to the US, casulties in War etc. I'll just point to this series of posts where you've advocated for the Genocide of half the Planet.

[Katman]

On the plus side, any time from now on that you try and claim some form of moral superiority in regards to the US, casulties in War etc. I'll just point to this series of posts where you've advocated for the Genocide of half the Planet.

Does a natural major catastrophe count as genocide?

[Jeeper]

Now I know where retired and unsuccessful politicians end up.

[mashman]

How could they have 17% more money when you yourself say there would be no money? And setting a metric at 17% sounds like a law to me. You said there would be no laws.

The approach is system agnostic.