South Africa is going (further) down thew toilet

[jasonu]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12111070

Light touch paper and stand well clear...

[TheDemonLord]

Oh Look, Communists seizing something that isn't theirs...

The question now is how much Bloodshed will there be before they realize their errors?

And how long before fuckwit middleclass students in love with Marx go "But that wasn't real communism"?

[oldrider]

Oh Look, Communists seizing something that isn't theirs...

The question now is how much Bloodshed will there be before they realize their errors?

And how long before fuckwit middleclass students in love with Marx go "But that wasn't real communism"?

There are so many brands of communism - one for every occasion - pick one and count the dead people to justify your choice.

[Voltaire]

Oh Look, Communists seizing something that isn't theirs...

The question now is how much Bloodshed will there be before they realize their errors?

And how long before fuckwit middleclass students in love with Marx go "But that wasn't real communism"?

That's right, the forefathers must have negotiated well for the 70%+ farms to be owned by the 10% of the population that is white.

Did the British go anywhere in the world and not leave a mess for future generations to sort out?

[TheDemonLord]

That's right, the forefathers must have negotiated well for the 70%+ farms to be owned by the 10% of the population that is white.

Did the British go anywhere in the world and not leave a mess for future generations to sort out?

Well, no one is perfect - but answer this: Would you rather live in a country that follows and maintains those very british and colonial values - or would you rather live in somewhere like North Korea?

[Viking01]

Well, no one is perfect - but answer this: Would you rather live in a country that follows and maintains those very british and colonial values - or would you rather live in somewhere like North Korea?

Are you posing the question to me as a black man from a slum in Soweto,
or a white man from a privileged area of Cape Town ?

And are those really the only two options that I have ?

[Blackbird]

Well, no one is perfect - but answer this: Would you rather live in a country that follows and maintains those very british and colonial values - or would you rather live in somewhere like North Korea?

If you look at somewhere like Zimbabwe under Mugabe which provided the model for South Africa to follow, there's probably little difference compared with North Korea in terms of poverty levels and disenfrangement apart from the elite minority. Give it a few years and S.A might be in the same position.

[Swoop]

It worked so well in Zimbabwe, why not do the same in SA to totally fuck the productivity.

[Voltaire]

Well, no one is perfect - but answer this: Would you rather live in a country that follows and maintains those very british and colonial values - or would you rather live in somewhere like North Korea?

British and Colonial Values.....

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/ir...nocide-british

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7627041.html

[TheDemonLord]

Are you posing the question to me as a black man from a slum in Soweto,
or a white man from a privileged area of Cape Town ?

And are those really the only two options that I have ?

I'm posing it to you as a human:

My statement is that the poorest of the poor in (for example) New Zealand lead a better existence than if they lived in North Korea or any other Communist country.

[Katman]

I'm posing it to you as a human:

My statement is that the poorest of the poor in (for example) New Zealand lead a better existence than if they lived in North Korea or any other Communist country.

Define 'better'.

[TheDemonLord]

British and Colonial Values.....

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/ir...nocide-british

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7627041.html

Let's assume that I accept all of those deaths as solely the fault of British Imperialism (for the record, I don't - but lets entertain that hypothetical)

Now pile those corpse next to Mao, Stalin, Pol pot etc.

35 Million vs 200+ Million.

So - tell me - which is worse?

[TheDemonLord]

Define 'better'.

Well, for starters - you can't be rounded up and executed for insulting Jacinda Ardern or the Queen.

We don't have a secret police that tortures people for wrongthink.

Let's start there.

[Voltaire]

Let's assume that I accept all of those deaths as solely the fault of British Imperialism (for the record, I don't - but lets entertain that hypothetical)

Now pile those corpse next to Mao, Stalin, Pol pot etc.

35 Million vs 200+ Million.

So - tell me - which is worse?

British as they were a Democracy.

[TheDemonLord]

British as they were a Democracy.

Eddie Izzards aside (Do you have a flag?) - How do you equate the political structure as being relevant to the overall death toll? Are you saying that a Dictatorship lessens to the social and moral cost somehow?

Not to mention, but those 35 Million were part of a Famine that just so happened to be in the middle of the biggest armed conflict the world has ever seen, so there is an argument to be made along the lines of "sacrifices had to be made" - and considering the alternative (Imperial Japan circa 1940 or Germany) - Again, Britain (for all her faults) was by far the lesser of 2 evils.