The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**sugilite:Me** · 18th December 2019, 13:13

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

There's just one small problem with that:

Where and Who is the Democratic leader?

The Democrats are doing in America what Corbyn and Co did to Labour in the UK and they got spanked for it.

They need to rid themselves of all the Marxists/Socialists/Communists in their Ranks and stand on some centre-left policies. Then they would have a pretty decent shot at Winning.

But they won't and Trump will get a second term and...

It will be all the Democrats Fault.

OI! you are doing it again, I never mentioned the Democrats in that lot lol

I fully agree with you BTW.

**Bonez** · 18th December 2019, 13:14

A place you obviously don't have access to.

**sugilite:Me** · 18th December 2019, 13:19

Oh, yes I thought you were just pulling that lot out your arse.

**Bonez** · 18th December 2019, 13:22

Another member for the Bozo club. Excellent.

**austingtir** · 18th December 2019, 13:30

**sugilite:Me** · 18th December 2019, 13:32

Originally Posted by Bonez

Another member for the Bozo club. Excellent.

Or you could just give us the source that led to your statement regarding the General public's interpretation? No?
If the Bozo club consists of posters who query your overly simplistic assertions and seemingly non existent sources - then yes, count me in.

**austingtir** · 18th December 2019, 13:34

**Bonez** · 18th December 2019, 13:36

Originally Posted by sugilite

Or you could just give us the source that led to your statement regarding the General public's interpretation?

Like the other assertions that the mojority of the us public is stupid? Go find it ya fucken self. Hint not the New York Tmes.

**sugilite:Me** · 18th December 2019, 14:32

Originally Posted by Bonez

Like the other assertions that the mojority of the us public is stupid? Go find it ya fucken self. Hint not the New York Tmes.

Bonez, if ya got nothing, why not just say nothing?

**oldrider** · 18th December 2019, 15:28

Almost there...? -

- https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/statu...rymakow.com%2F - If true? - Who needs enemies with friends like this? - MIGA? Bibi? Donald? -

**jasonu** · 18th December 2019, 16:02

Originally Posted by pritch

Without wishing to take a position on this personally, the Democrats seem to agree. They are keeping their impeachment charges super simplistic so that the voters are not confused. F'rinstance they aren't even using the 10 obstruction charges in the Mueller Report. They are neatly laid out, ready to go but...

The Republicans also seem to agree, nobody with an IQ above room temperature will be sucked in by the evasions and distractions they are employing.

The "average US voter" will show us how intelligent they are in due course. Anybody can make a mistake. To repeat it, now that would be stupid.

The whole thing is total spoiled brat bullshit. Their Hillary somehow lost the election which they still haven't gotten over. The attempts at getting Trump out include Steel dossier which was crap, the failed Muller report and now this which will also go nowhere.
You are a fucking idiot if you can't see that.

**husaberg** · 18th December 2019, 17:25

"Since the Sept. 26 release of the whistleblower complaint about his call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Trump has insisted more than 80 times (yes 80 times) that the whistleblower's account is fake, fraudulent, incorrect, 'total fiction,' 'made up,' and 'sooo wrong,'"
Despite what Trump claims, the whistleblower has apparently got the call 'almost completely' right.

According to the transcript of the call the White House released in September, is what happened.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/25/p...den/index.html

1) Trump tells Zelensky that the US does a lot for Ukraine.
2) Trump reminds Zelensky that Ukraine doesn't reciprocate.
3) Trump asks Zelensky for a favor: to look into a debunked conspiracy theory that the hacked Democratic National Committee server is in Ukraine.
4) Trump asks Zelensky to look into Joe and Hunter Biden.

Now, you can debate whether that's an impeachable offense to the cows come home
it's impossible to dispute that what the whistleblower said
Thus in terms of the nature and content of the call was accurate in virtually every way.

Which means trump lied his arse off all the trump supporters will never acknowledge this fact though.

WHich brings us to what he did.
President Donald Trump illegally withheld military aid to Ukraine. He broke U.S. law to keep the money frozen.
There are two relevant budgetary statutes that are implicated by Trump withholding military aid for Ukraine: apportionment authority and the Impoundment Control Act (ICA).
Both laws are intended to restrict the executive branch from undermining Congress’s “power of the purse” under the Constitution.
these laws were establised after guess who tried the same shit,Disgraced republican former president Nixon.

https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/