Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[husaberg]

Aye. When you posted your different numbers something rang a few alarm bells. Turns out I read "registered eligible voters" as eligible voters. Mystery solved. Chur... and fortunately the internet never got a hold of that one and made it fact enough to start civil war over .

Its not a mystery it's been well documented for over a month yet you claim to be educated enough to offer an opinion.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27L2Y8
it even been pointed out here previously.

Questionable given the evidence to date, but hey.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa...votes-ballots/

Clear enough?

[pritch]

MSNBC are reporting that Rudy Giuliani is the subject of an active criminal investigation by federal prosecutors from the Southern District of New York.

That's interesting for all sorts of reasons, not least because before he was Mayor, Giuliani used to be in charge of the office at the SDNY. That he is a lawyer makes things complicated because of lawyer/client privilege. There are additional complications because his client is Donald J Trump.

There is a definite potential for some entertainment in all of this. For us, if not for Giuliani.

[SaferRides]

My bad. I did indeed mix up the registered and eligible numbers.

You're not alone; some of the "experts" who analysed voting patterns in Michigan did something similar to show there had been fraud.

[mashman]

You're not alone; some of the "experts" who analysed voting patterns in Michigan did something similar to show there had been fraud.

heh heh heh... some miscalculations certainly took place.

I did just read a story about a Republican that has been arrested for voting for his dead mother and trying to register his dead mother-in-law. Ooops. With a couple of thousand having been investigated and found across Pennsylvania, there'll be a few peeps shakin' in their boots.

[R650R]

Aye. When you posted your different numbers something rang a few alarm bells. Turns out I read "registered eligible voters" as eligible voters. Mystery solved. Chur... and fortunately the internet never got a hold of that one and made it fact enough to start civil war over .

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

[husaberg]

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

The stats the Trump supporters used were months and in some cases years out of date
not to mention some states allow you to register on the day.
Maybe before offering your opinion you might do a little research first...........
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27L2Y8

[mashman]

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

heh... There are 2 categories of eligible voter. Registered and Non-Registered. You have to be over 18 and fit certain criteria before you can be considered to be eligible to become a registered voter. Being registered is not one of those criteria. You have to be a Registered eligible voter to be allowed to vote and therefore have you're vote counted, with the emphasis on Registered given that you cannot register unless your eligible.

[mashman]

Surely the two are the same as your not eligible to vote unless your registered.

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

[pritch]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

Elf 2 is pissed?

155,507,229(total votes) is smaller than 214,000,000 (total voters) How is that "12 million more than 100%"?

Stop looking for fraud, all of the people responsible for the election, many of them Republican, have said there was none. Certainly not eough to change an election result. Nobody with a full set of marbles is even looking now. It's only Marjorie Taylor Greene, Sidney Powell, a few other nutcases, and Trump.

[pritch]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

Elf 2 is pissed?

155,507,229(total votes) is smaller than 214,000,000 (total voters) How is that "12 million more than 100%"?

Stop looking for fraud, all of the people responsible, many of them Republican, have said there was none. Certainly not enough to change an election result. Nobody with a full set of marbles is even looking now. It's only Marjorie Taylor Greene, Sidney Powell, a few other nutcases - and Trump.

[pritch]

Trump has just pardoned a bunch of his "co conspirators."

Putin has granted immunity to ex presidents and their families. I wonder who might benefit from that?

Not sure if y'all are aware how US politics work, but there are some 5,000 pages of the stimulous bill which nobody voting on it was given time to read. It doesn't just contain a provision to pay everybody $600.00. There is half a billion dollars in foreign aid to Israel, there is a clause sayng employers do not have to pay people suffering from Covid sick leave, there was another provision stipulating that employers could not be sued by employees who contracted the virus through work, and a whole host of things nobody much will even know about.

Trump has just said he wants the individual stimulous cheques increased to $2,000 and he wants other clauses removed or he will not sign.

Merry Christmas to all.

[R650R]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

Well if it was in a court of law an “ eligible voter” who was not registered and some how cast a vote would find their vote ruled ineligible.
You could be of eligible age, eligible citizenship, eligible mental capacity but you can’t vote unless registered.
Wouldn’t be surprised if some democrat twitter warrior had concocted all this to explain away discrepancies like what you pointed out.
Got to love English language

[R650R]

Trump has just pardoned a bunch of his "co conspirators."

Putin has granted immunity to ex presidents and their families. I wonder who might benefit from that?

Merry Christmas to all.

All presidents do that, mere formality. Just like Obama with his drone strikes on innocent wedding parties... there’s lots of ooppps moments everywhere that on paper warrant prison time but in reality serve no purpose to prosecute

[R650R]

Oh and merry Xmas and happy new year to all

[neels]

Ahhhh synchronicity and I just saw this and you might be right too lol.

U.S. Population (everyone): 330ish million
Number of registered voters: 214ish million

As a percentage of the population, 65% are eligible to vote. Close to the voter turnout ratio and potentially enough to confuse some people. In this table eligible voters are referred to as registered voters.

Elf time again:

Elf 1

Total eligible voters/registered voters in the US: 214,000,000

Voter turnout is 67% of registered voters: 143,380,000

Total registered voters - Voter turnout = 70,620,000 who did not vote.


Elf 2

Biden + Trump votes = total votes cast in 2020:
81,283,485 + 74,223,744 = 155,507,229

Total registered voters - Number of votes cast = Number who did not vote
143,380,000 - 155,507,229 = -12,127,229 did not vote.


Elf 1 sees what we would expect to see. Elf 2 sees that more than 100% of eligible voters turned out to vote, 12 million more than 100%, despite 67% voter turnout having been stated.

Probability of fraud having taken place?

Around the same loop again.

The 67% turnout is of people eligible to vote, not all of them are necessarily registered to vote.

Or to put it another way - Trump can't understand how he got more votes than last time (and once again less than the other candidate) and still lost, but when the voter turnout increases by ~12% of the ~200 million eligible to vote, that's another 24 million votes for him to lose by.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. Mix and match your numbers to 'prove' your case.