Jacinda

[FJRider]

And 5 years later Labour is happy cosying up with China...

Last year nearly 110,000 cattle were exported from New Zealand to China. That's a nearly threefold increase from the year before. In 2019, the value of livestock exports was $54 million.

Too many people on the Welfare to stop these exports. Regardless of what they say about stopping export of Live stock.

[pete376403]

Liarbour's foundations and principles are that of the communist party...
Driving the standards of living down for the "working classes" whilst making luxurious standards and wealth for the top echelons of the political leadership. Putin, Xi and their closest supporters are well looked after. They can't be kisked out, unlike Taxcinda and her idiot comrades.

Whatever systems Putin and Xi purport to lead. it is not communism. More like your regular old dictatorship, kept in place with money and patronage.

Previously in cases like this it *was* a communist/socialist uprising that put them out of power, but human nature being what it is, not long before "meet the new boss, same as the old boss " puts things back to how they were

[husaberg]

The value to the county is considerably more than just the value of the stock it also has industries it supports with blood testing, lab costs, vet inspections, permits, agents and exporters commissions, trucking, quarantine
What people don't realise if they remained in NZ they or other cattle would be killed within 12 months rather than living out many years in China.
I disagree with it, not based on Animal welfare, but on we are sending cattle to our major buyer of meat and dairy.
but when the farmer gets twice to three times the value of the stock that he would get locally, who can blame them for exporting.

[FJRider]

The value to the county is considerably more than just the value of the stock it also has industries it supports with blood testing lab costs, vet the inspections, permits commissions, trucking quarantine
What people don't realise if they remained in NZ they or other cattle would be killed within 12 months rather than living out many years in China.
I disagree with it, not based on Animal welfare, but on we are sending cattle to our major buyer of meat and dairy.
but when the farmer gets twice to three times the value of the stock that he would get locally, who can blame them for exporting.

I agree. And I think the Chinese Government realized that importing meat to feed their population was at best ... a short term (not to mention expensive) solution.

Stock breeding in China from NZ supplied stock may be increasing ... but I think a fair portion of the livestock still might not live that long. They need to feed their population NOW.

The thing I'm curious about is how long before the export of live animals actually cease. They announced they will cease in a year or so ... but will they .. ??

[husaberg]

And 5 years later Labour is happy cosying up with China...

That's pretty funny
Ezactly how cosy was Nationals relationship with china?

Bridges emphasised that as a “small country” affected by global instability, New Zealand depended on its trade relationship with China. He also criticised the Trump administration, declaring the World Trade Organisation will soon not be able to function because “the US is not allowing new judges to be appointed.”

Newsroom reported on September 9 that in an interview with Chinese state-owned news channel CGTN, Bridges praised China’s Communist Party for taking the country from mass poverty to economic prosperity, calling it an “amazing story.” Bridges said New Zealand had been a direct beneficiary, “as our trade has grown and we have been able to share that growing prosperity of China.”

Prior to his departure to Beijing, Bridges was attacked over electoral donations to National. On August 27, the New Zealand Herald reported an allegation that former trade minister Todd McClay “helped arrange” a $NZ150,000 donation from Chinese racing industry billionaire Lang Lin prior to the last election. Under electoral law, overseas donations are capped at $1,500, but Lang’s donation was allowed because it was made through a NZ-registered company.

The Lang allegation was made by Jami-Lee Ross, a former National MP who was ousted from the National Party last year after he accused Bridges of improperly covering up a $100,000 donation from Auckland businessman Zhang Yikun.

"New Zealand businesses have put a lot of money and effort into make sure it will be successful, it's a very concerning signal I think."
Mr McClay said the Tourism Minister should be on the next plane to China to go and sort it out.


A National Party MP who studied at an elite Chinese spy school before moving to New Zealand has attracted the interest of our Security Intelligence Service.

The National list MP Jian Yang did not mention in his work or political CVs a decade he spent in the People's Liberation Army-Air Force Engineering College or the Luoyang language institute run by China's equivalent of the United States National Security Agency.
He was hand-picked by National Party president Peter Goodfellow to become an MP on its list in 2011, wooed directly by the former Prime Minister John Key and has been a key fundraiser for National among the Chinese community in Auckland.
An expert in Chinese intelligence Peter Mattis told Newsroom from the US that someone who attended and then taught at the Air Force Engineering College and attended the language institute would almost certainly have been an officer in China's PLA and member of the Communist Party.

not to mention Judy collins own past with China....

[scumdog]

That's pretty funny
Ezactly how cosy was Nationals relationship with china?

Bridges emphasised that as a “small country” affected by global instability, New Zealand depended on its trade relationship with China. He also criticised the Trump administration, declaring the World Trade Organisation will soon not be able to function because “the US is not allowing new judges to be appointed.”

Newsroom reported on September 9 that in an interview with Chinese state-owned news channel CGTN, Bridges praised China’s Communist Party for taking the country from mass poverty to economic prosperity, calling it an “amazing story.” Bridges said New Zealand had been a direct beneficiary, “as our trade has grown and we have been able to share that growing prosperity of China.”

Prior to his departure to Beijing, Bridges was attacked over electoral donations to National. On August 27, the New Zealand Herald reported an allegation that former trade minister Todd McClay “helped arrange” a $NZ150,000 donation from Chinese racing industry billionaire Lang Lin prior to the last election. Under electoral law, overseas donations are capped at $1,500, but Lang’s donation was allowed because it was made through a NZ-registered company.

The Lang allegation was made by Jami-Lee Ross, a former National MP who was ousted from the National Party last year after he accused Bridges of improperly covering up a $100,000 donation from Auckland businessman Zhang Yikun.

"New Zealand businesses have put a lot of money and effort into make sure it will be successful, it's a very concerning signal I think."
Mr McClay said the Tourism Minister should be on the next plane to China to go and sort it out.


A National Party MP who studied at an elite Chinese spy school before moving to New Zealand has attracted the interest of our Security Intelligence Service.

The National list MP Jian Yang did not mention in his work or political CVs a decade he spent in the People's Liberation Army-Air Force Engineering College or the Luoyang language institute run by China's equivalent of the United States National Security Agency.
He was hand-picked by National Party president Peter Goodfellow to become an MP on its list in 2011, wooed directly by the former Prime Minister John Key and has been a key fundraiser for National among the Chinese community in Auckland.
An expert in Chinese intelligence Peter Mattis told Newsroom from the US that someone who attended and then taught at the Air Force Engineering College and attended the language institute would almost certainly have been an officer in China's PLA and member of the Communist Party.

not to mention Judy collins own past with China....

Why drag National into it?, why mention Collins? - I'm talking about NOW - the current government who should have learned from Nationals policies...

[husaberg]

Why drag National into it?, why mention Collins? - I'm talking about NOW - the current government who should have learned from Nationals policies...

Why because it would be rather hypocritical to say they are cosy with the Chinese without actually adding some facts to the situation.
The real question is why you don't appreciate national being compared, Why doth this so concerneth yourself so muchith

[TheDemonLord]

Whatever systems Putin and Xi purport to lead. it is not communism. More like your regular old dictatorship

So, Communism...

Because that's how Communism always ends up.

[TheDemonLord]

Why because it would be rather hypocritical to say they are cosy with the Chinese without actually adding some facts to the situation.
The real question is why you don't appreciate national being compared, Why doth this so concerneth yourself so muchith

I'm quite happy to stand on principle and say National are a bunch of Spineless cowards for working too closely with the China.

[pete376403]

So, Communism...

Because that's how Communism always ends up.

More correct to thats how every political system ( and for that matter, religion) ends up, or would end up if they could get away with it, because people just love the idea of having power over other people.

[TheDemonLord]

More correct to thats how every political system ( and for that matter, religion) ends up, or would end up if they could get away with it, because people just love the idea of having power over other people.

Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, this is a silly statement, because there are political systems that are deliberately setup in such a manner to stop dictatorships. So even the Caveat 'if they could get away with it' is silly.

And to add to that, we have political systems that have existed for nearly 400 years continuously, without producing a Dictator, whereas every Communist revolution in the last 100 years produced a Dictator.

I put it to you that somewhere, underneath the gloss of what 'real' Communism is, there is a causal link. Whether it is intentional, understood or otherwise - the 100% success rate, across different groups of people, from different regions, with different cultures, ideals etc. is proof enough for me.

[R650R]

Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, this is a silly statement, because there are political systems that are deliberately setup in such a manner to stop dictatorships. So even the Caveat 'if they could get away with it' is silly.

And to add to that, we have political systems that have existed for nearly 400 years continuously, without producing a Dictator, whereas every Communist revolution in the last 100 years produced a Dictator.

I put it to you that somewhere, underneath the gloss of what 'real' Communism is, there is a causal link. Whether it is intentional, understood or otherwise - the 100% success rate, across different groups of people, from different regions, with different cultures, ideals etc. is proof enough for me.

There a silly illusion that exists in the left arena that of western countries had communism it would be a nice flowery kind version. They want State sanctioned equality not realising that someone has to pay for it so the only real equality is everyone on the ground floor under the jack boot of totalitarian rule.
There would be no freedom and creativity or someone on the ground floor might start an idea that threatens the top floor. Go read history book and see how that pans out... plot spoiler it never ends well....
They just need to ask themselves in a world where there are no rules, no need to work for money, no police, no motivation to do or achieve anything how would they fare?
The CHAZ/CHOP city block sized petri dish showed just what grows when a little communism flowers in a western nation.....

[Scuba_Steve]

Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, this is a silly statement, because there are political systems that are deliberately setup in such a manner to stop dictatorships. So even the Caveat 'if they could get away with it' is silly.

And to add to that, we have political systems that have existed for nearly 400 years continuously, without producing a Dictator, whereas every Communist revolution in the last 100 years produced a Dictator.

I would be interested to know what these political systems you speak of are.
Its not the system that creates dictators, it's the people in the positions that do

[TheDemonLord]

I would be interested to know what these political systems you speak of are.
Its not the system that creates dictators, it's the people in the positions that do

Well, let's take your last part as Gospel for a moment.

Let's assume it's not the system that creates dictators (Note, I disagree slightly here) - if Communism has a 100% success rate at producing Dictators, then that must mean that all Communists are wannabe evil dictators...

Back to the fact I disagree - The fact that the system always produces a Dictator tells me that it is a factor in it.

In terms of Political Systems - The British Parliament has been in continued existence, without a dictator since the end of Cromwell's lord Protector malarky - which was what 1660?

Nearly 400 years without a dictator, I think that's a pretty good time span. You could argue that the Monarch retains supreme authority and is akin to a Dictator, but I think this is not a fair comparison - The Monarch is more like the Referee.

The US - 1789 - that's a pretty good run without a Dictator.

[Scuba_Steve]

Communism enables easier access to be a dictator, it's still the people that make it that way, not the political system! With better checks and balances it could be made harder to dictate like the others

FWIW, I have never heard of 'the US' and 'the British parliament' as political systems

And yes a monarch is a dictatorship, wether they exercise their power is irrelevant