Jacinda

[husaberg]

R650R gets tsunami and Stuxnet confused. As anybody could.

Just like when he confused actual and alleged....
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131169640

[R650R]

Stuxnet wasn't used on Fukishima.

http://82.221.129.208/fukureport1b.pdf

[pete376403]

http://82.221.129.208/fukureport1b.pdf

40 pages of conspiracy theories that Israel destroyed fukushima via nuclear weapons in retaliation for Japan assisting Iran

[pritch]

40 pages of conspiracy theories that Israel destroyed fukushima via nuclear weapons in retaliation for Japan assisting Iran

He lost me when it mentioned 'building seven.' Life's too short...

[Swoop]

http://82.221.129.208/fukureport1b.pdf

The level of moronity in that is simply astounding. Genuinely mind-boggling retardedness.
Step away from the tinfoil-hat loonies.

Or has katflap taken over your account?

[Swoop]

So, the housing crisis that Tacinda promised to "fix" within her first six months of this dictatorship, has blown out significantly.

How surprising. Incompetent socialist morons.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...thy-delay.html

[husaberg]

So, the housing crisis that Tacinda promised to "fix" within her first six months of this dictatorship, has blown out significantly.

How surprising. Incompetent socialist morons.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...thy-delay.html

National's new housing spokesperson Jacqui Dean has falsely claimed her party built 30,000 state homes when they were last in power, and claimed her party now backs rental standards they voted against and recently promised to scrap.

In fact, the state housing stock fell by 2000 between 2009 and 2017. Statistics show in 2008, when National defeated Helen Clark's Labour, there were 65,324 state homes. In September 2017 when National lost power, there were only 63,209.

Figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show National actually built 2670 homes in its nine years - only 9 percent of what Dean claimed - and sold 2728.

National’s new housing spokesperson has admitted the party was wrong to sell and convert more state houses than it built when it was last in office.
Willis said National sold or converted “a couple of thousand” state homes.
“I think what we can see from that is yes, the Government needs to build state houses,” she said.

Labours built 2813 state homes since June 2018 and a further 2596 under construction.they sold or demolished 140 homes
three years

[FJRider]

... Figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show National actually built 2670 homes in its nine years - only 9 percent of what Dean claimed - and sold 2728.



Labours built 2813 state homes since June 2018 and a further 2596 under construction.they sold or demolished 140 homes

Why would either Government demolish or sell perfectly good State houses .. ??? Similar construction numbers are evident in number by both Governments figures according to your post.

Your point is .. ??

[pete376403]

Why would either Government demolish or sell perfectly good State houses .. ??? Similar construction numbers are evident in number by both Governments figures according to your post.

Your point is .. ??

Many of those state houses were single dwellings on 1/4 acre sections, with huge back yards used for little but derelict cars. Demolishing or removing these to enable better use of the land by building multiple units makes more sense.

After the Christchurch earthquakes there was a rash of demolishing, under the pretext of "earthquake prone" large numbers of state units in the Hutt Valley (Taita, Naenae, etc) which then left large blocks of empty land that was either turned over to private development such as around Pomare with just a few state owned houses or else left vacant and on which only relatively recently construction has occurred.

[TheDemonLord]

National's new housing spokesperson Jacqui Dean has falsely claimed her party built 30,000 state homes when they were last in power, and claimed her party now backs rental standards they voted against and recently promised to scrap.

In fact, the state housing stock fell by 2000 between 2009 and 2017. Statistics show in 2008, when National defeated Helen Clark's Labour, there were 65,324 state homes. In September 2017 when National lost power, there were only 63,209.

Figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show National actually built 2670 homes in its nine years - only 9 percent of what Dean claimed - and sold 2728.

Labours built 2813 state homes since June 2018 and a further 2596 under construction.they sold or demolished 140 homes
three years

Which is all very nice, but it doesn't address the underlying question - why is it the Governments business to build houses?

[pritch]

Which is all very nice, but it doesn't address the underlying question - why is it the Governments business to build houses?

Governments in this country have a history of that going back to the days of Michael Joseph Savage and John A Lee. It made sense then. Most non-business people back then used the Post Office Savings Bank. This was before the days of big trading banks. The money in the PO Savings Bank savings accounts was used to build houses. Prior to that large numbers of people were living in 'transit camps'. The changes to the banking indistry since then mean that any state housing construction has to be allocated in the budget and is in competition with everything else: health, education, military, etc etc etc.

As to why? Some people feel providing housing is preferable to having large tent cities on otherwise vacant tracts of land as currently happens in the US. Some states have "solved" the problem by making it a crime to be homeless. The transit camps were better than that but they did have their problems.

[TheDemonLord]

Governments in this country have a history of that going back to the days of Michael Joseph Savage and John A Lee. It made sense then. Most non-business people back then used the Post Office Savings Bank. This was before the days of big trading banks. The money in the PO Savings Bank savings accounts was used to build houses. Prior to that large numbers of people were living in 'transit camps'. The changes to the banking indistry since then mean that any state housing construction has to be allocated in the budget and is in competition with everything else: health, education, military, etc etc etc.

Although a nice and interesting history lesson - it not only fails to rebut the fundamental point I was making, but you actually reinforce it - since (as per above) the Financial system has changed, trying to build state houses takes budget away from things the Government should be doing.

As to why? Some people feel providing housing is preferable to having large tent cities on otherwise vacant tracts of land as currently happens in the US. Some states have "solved" the problem by making it a crime to be homeless. The transit camps were better than that but they did have their problems.

If you genuinely wanted to ''solve'' the problem, you could do so quite easily with 3-4 repeals of Legislation.

1: Get rid of the RMA
2: Get rid of all the Landlord requirements for quality of housing
3: Get rid of Building regulations (Spicy - and I'm not *fully* condoning this part)
4: Give local Councils a mighty kick up the Arse (not sure if this comes under legislation but....)

Basically remove all the associated costs of Compliance for new-builds. Granted you'd get a lot of dodgy houses built, but as you say - better than Tent Cities.

Of course, a sudden surge in the Supply of new houses would crash the Property Market - which is why no Government *actually* wants to solve the problem...

I merely re-iterate my Battle Cry:

"Sir, Government intervention has caused this problem, shall we stop interferring?"
"Of course not! We need MORE Intervention to fix the problems our Intervention has caused!"

/Sarcasm.

[sidecar bob]

National's new housing spokesperson Jacqui Dean has falsely claimed her party built 30,000 state homes when they were last in power, and claimed her party now backs rental standards they voted against and recently promised to scrap.

In fact, the state housing stock fell by 2000 between 2009 and 2017. Statistics show in 2008, when National defeated Helen Clark's Labour, there were 65,324 state homes. In September 2017 when National lost power, there were only 63,209.

Figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show National actually built 2670 homes in its nine years - only 9 percent of what Dean claimed - and sold 2728.



Labours built 2813 state homes since June 2018 and a further 2596 under construction.they sold or demolished 140 homes
three years

Yeah, Kiwibuild was a roaring success.
Whatever happened to Twyford the munter?

[husaberg]

Yeah, Kiwibuild was a roaring success.
Whatever happened to Twyford the munter?

How you figure that, as in 3 years they managed to build more homes than national sold in 9 years......
Unless you count the 30,000 thin air homes Nationals housing spokesman made up...
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-in-power.html

[sidecar bob]

https://www.nzcpr.com/a-slow-moving-coup/#more-35076