Beehive occupation.

[R650R]

Are these the same gang member neighbours that you installed cameras to protect your property from?

No they are down road a bit and had cameras before Jacinda moved them in “ to help those most in need”. Bit of I see them with placards they’ll get a voucher too.

[R650R]

Could that possibly be because 90+% of people are double vaxed?

Yes I’ll give you that. It is quite likely that the vaxxed are moving more freely and subject to more exposure events this distorting stats. But then if the virus is as bad as it is and if the vax works as advertised then really the unvaxced should be higher percentages wise.....

This version doubles case numbers every three days so in seven weeks time we should have more accurate data with five million cases by then

[FJRider]

Cheers it’s a new word I’m submitting to Oxford for inclusion in next addition.

Spinsonered (noun), (( means of)) Delivery of contemporary post modern propoganda funded by govt depts or sympathetic non governmental organisations. Began occurring frequently early in 21stcentury and reached endemic levels during the beginning of the industrial-pharmaceutical revolution engineered by Gates foundation during the mass outbreak of C19 hysteria.

Great ... ... I love learning new words ...

As long as somebody is making money out of all this ... that is all the reality that is needed.

Are YOU still making (some) money ... ??

[FJRider]

But neither are unproven, they are both proven, that is the point. The court bit is required because some idiots are screaming for a mandate despite what has been proven to the contrary.

If they are BOTH proven to work ... whats the problem .. ???

The vaccine is shit and does not mirror testing. Proven. Not the basis for mandate.

PROVEN ... AND THE BASIS FOR ITS USE.

Ivermectin et al have been proven to do what the vaccine can't. Proven. Again, not the basis for mandate.

Pharmac decides what medicines are funded by the New Zealand government. Complain to them.

No court of law required outwith forcing mandate. The science has proven itself on both counts.

As for the rest, go play tdl with tdl.

Again ... Pharmac decides what medicines are funded by the New Zealand government.

[FJRider]

Clearly not stupid, since it's struck a chord. One might conjecture some sort of shared values, shared monarchy, shared ideals...

Shared opinions ... just that some DEMAND it Their way.

So why the need for compulsion if most people were happy to get it?

Perhaps ... some want a different vaccine than what is being given. Those are the one's that know better than Pharmac.

Go figure.

If it's a Choice - the people that choose to and the people that choose not to are both satisfied. introduce any element of Compulsion and people are rightfully pissed off.

Those that choose not to ... Those are the one's that know better than Pharmac.

I dunno, the American Revolution turned out alright: Constitution, limits on government power etc. etc.

Then ... it progressed ... with varying degrees of success.

Trumps byline was ... Make America GREAT again.

THAT ... might be a small clue ... that things didn't work out that great after all.

Well in the eyes of many that voted (or agreed with) him into power anyway ..

I think in NZ at least it's the official approved version from the Beehive. Which makes it 50% useless.

Have you given some thought that ... perhaps .... the version of history remembered from Berlin in 1945 ... was the "Official Approved Version" of the British and American/Allied Governments ... ???

Or were ALL the journalists of that time ... TOTALLY independent from ANY Government control on what they could (or COULDN'T) say .. ??

If YOU actually BELIEVE that ... you are actually thicker than I gave you credit for being.

It was merely the APPROVED version they could report.

Go figure.

I get mine free from Work most years. Most of those whether it was Covid or Flu were in the risk bracket. Sucks for them, one day (hopefully) it will be me in my dotage, either wishing it to pass me by or welcoming it like an old friend. That's life.

The last flu shot I got was about age 16. Nothing similar since. I'm (almost) 64. My working week is 56 hours (for many years .. I worked many more hours than that..

Some fat useless fuckers struggle with 40 hours ... (Go figure)

There were shots I got for things you really COULD die of ... if you caught them. Hazard of the job at the time. But I guess ... fat useless fucks need more help than everybody else ... to fight the flu.

Go figure.

And as I stated previously - I've lost relatives who were old due to Flu, it sucks - but we didn't shut down an entire country so that they could have a bit longer and I have a sneaking suspicion they wouldn't have wanted to either.

Bugger. But perhaps THIS NZ Government actually LEARNED from history. Not ALL Governments do. Count yourself lucky ... OURS DID.

Perhaps ... this time around ... YOU and MORE of your relatives ... just might live longer.

Go figure.

[FJRider]

Isn't it Ironic that both sides of a given debate seem to invoke me as the Great Opposition.

NOT true.


You're NOT that great.



nuff said.

[husaberg]

No they are down road a bit

For a guy that claimed to be making money hand over first as a Truck driver you sure live in a dodgy low rent area.......

[FJRider]

No it would be economic suicide in current business climate. Some of my neighbours might be going and they will get petrol vouchers if they do...

My difference is ... I never intended to go. A subtle difference some miss. None of MY neighbors did as far as I know. None I've spoken to have said they were. Too busy working.

Memorable it’s about the govt ad maybe you ain’t seen it, it’s their catch phrase coming home to roost

Memorable is when they achieve something ... actually GAIN something more than laughter and derision ... from the majority of the population.


History only remembers what has been (WAS) achieved.


What has been achieved there so far ... aside from the ruination of a nice lawn .. ??



Time will tell ... but a lot less than the desired ... is my bet.


It may be mentioned in NZ history in the future ... but for the wrong reasons in the eye's the protesters ... I bet.

[TheDemonLord]

NOT true.

You're NOT that great.

nuff said.

I'm not the one doing it, You, Mashman, Husa etc. are the ones doing it.

I'm just making the observation, Mainly because I find the irony hilarious.

[TheDemonLord]

Shared opinions ... just that some DEMAND it Their way.

Or they believe they have a Natural right to something and so have the moral authority to use force to Demand it.

Perhaps ... some want a different vaccine than what is being given. Those are the one's that know better than Pharmac.

Go figure.

Those that choose not to ... Those are the one's that know better than Pharmac.

I don't think the problem is the flavour being offered, I think the problem is being forced to drink the coolaid or be excluded from parts of society.

Then ... it progressed ... with varying degrees of success.

Trumps byline was ... Make America GREAT again.

THAT ... might be a small clue ... that things didn't work out that great after all.

Well in the eyes of many that voted (or agreed with) him into power anyway ..

I dunno, Florida, Texas, Arizona, Montana - they all seem to have maintained individual rights and freedoms, despite a certain someone's best efforts.

Have you given some thought that ... perhaps .... the version of history remembered from Berlin in 1945 ... was the "Official Approved Version" of the British and American/Allied Governments ... ???

Or were ALL the journalists of that time ... TOTALLY independent from ANY Government control on what they could (or COULDN'T) say .. ??

If YOU actually BELIEVE that ... you are actually thicker than I gave you credit for being.

It was merely the APPROVED version they could report.

Go figure.

Totally independent? No, of course not. As transparently biased and partisan as the current Media? Definitely not. At least old-school Journos weren't afraid of pissing off The powers that Be in order to get a Scoop (Watergate ring a bell?)

The last flu shot I got was about age 16. Nothing similar since. I'm (almost) 64. My working week is 56 hours (for many years .. I worked many more hours than that..

Some fat useless fuckers struggle with 40 hours ... (Go figure)

There were shots I got for things you really COULD die of ... if you caught them. Hazard of the job at the time. But I guess ... fat useless fucks need more help than everybody else ... to fight the flu.

Go figure.

I've got small kids who are walking Biological weapons, so yeah - I get my Flu jab, not because I'm worried about dying, it's that I don't want to deal with a week off work in bed feeling like Arse.

Bugger. But perhaps THIS NZ Government actually LEARNED from history. Not ALL Governments do. Count yourself lucky ... OURS DID.

Perhaps ... this time around ... YOU and MORE of your relatives ... just might live longer.

Go figure.

Sounds like a Gilded cage.

No, Thank you.

I'd prefer a dangerous freedom over a safe prison. Clearly this Government hasn't learned from history.

[FJRider]

I'm not the one doing it, You, Mashman, Husa etc. are the ones doing it.

I'm just making the observation, Mainly because I find the irony hilarious.

For the record ... the observation I made was ... that you were not that great an opposition.

A little repetitive though.

[mashman]

If they are BOTH proven to work ... whats the problem .. ???

Pharmac decides what medicines are funded by the New Zealand government.

One is proven to work. The vaccine/jab has proven itself not to work so much.

Someone might wanna protest to get the government to tell the government that there's another way.

[husaberg]

But neither are unproven, they are both proven, that is the point. The court bit is required because some idiots are screaming for a mandate despite what has been proven to the contrary.

The vaccine is shit and does not mirror testing. Proven. Not the basis for mandate.
Ivermectin et al have been proven to do what the vaccine can't. Proven. Again, not the basis for mandate.
l.

Again put up or shut up where is your credible evidence to support you claims

The 'vaccine' you allude to would be Ivermectin et al applied according to the algorithm of treatment that Peter McCullough et al developed n response to people dying before their eyes. The treatment costs cents and is merely the 'off-label' use of a drug that has worked. That an algorithm was developed in August 2020 and still works no matter the variant. Hard to get, though not impossible, I'd rather it was recognised and so could be prescribed according to an algorithm that isn't overly easy to follow.

heh... tends to happen when one believes that one has gone as far as one can go in terms of what one is certain of.

Drug shows ‘no benefit’ against Covid
The core hydroxychloroquine claim of the CMN is that it is an effective treatment in the very earliest stages of infection when used with Zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C and a cocktail of other drugs.
The key reference providing support to this assertion is this article, the lead author of which is Dr Peter McCullough, vice-chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Centre in Dallas, Texas. Zelenko is one of his 56 co-authors.
The article should be taken seriously, says Mathieson, because it is “peer reviewed”. The evidence is “now virtually beyond dispute,” he says.
But a check of the credentials of the journal in which it appeared – Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine – reveals that McCullough himself is the editor-in-chief of the journal in which he has published.
On top of that, the peer review process was astonishingly quick. The paper was submitted on 28 November, accepted after revisions on 15 December and published just a fortnight later.
Baylor Scott and White Health, which runs the medical centre where McCullough holds his position, told me that the article “does not reflect the views of Baylor Scott and White Health”.

https://factcheck.afp.com/us-cardiol...19-vaccination
https://www.examiner-enterprise.com/...le/5995698001/

https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%...m%252F9QW7UP-1

Notice you were posting these same untruths in Sep you really are a lowlife Norman

Um, that "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) " outfit you cite:

AAPS is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative,[5][12] and its positions are fringe and commonly contradict with existing federal health policy.[13] It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance

AAPS opposes abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception.[14] The group claims there is a link between abortion and breast cancer

The AAPS opposes gun control and does not recognize handgun violence as a public health problem. Instead, the AAPS says that handguns save lives

In 2007, AAPS assisted in the appeal against the conviction of Virginia internist William Hurwitz, who was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison for prescribing excessive quantities of narcotic drugs after 16 former patients testified against him.[41] Hurwitz was granted a retrial in 2006, and his 25-year prison sentence was reduced to 4 years and 9 months.[42]

In July 2019, AAPS co-signed a letter to the Surgeon General of the United States Jerome Adams with the anti-LGBT group American College of Pediatricians, the Catholic Medical Association, and the pro conversion therapy group the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity

Leading up to the 2008 presidential election, AAPS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis.

In September 2009, St. Petersburg neurosurgeon and future president of the Florida AAPS David McKalip received significant public criticism for emailing a falsified photo showing President Barack Obama as a witch doctor with an exotic headdress, loin cloth, and bones in his nose

In June 2020, AAPS filed a lawsuit against the Food and Drug Administration to "end its arbitrary interference with the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)."[52][53] In April 2020, the FDA advised that hydroxychloroquine had "not been show to be safe and effective for treating or preventing COVID-19

AAPS has claimed that computers and the digitization of medical records provides an opportunity for the government to acquire massive amounts of private data on American citizens.

In a 2005 article, Madeleine Cosman argued that illegal immigrants were carriers of disease, and that immigrants and "anchor babies" were launching a "stealthy assault on [American] medicine.

In 2004, AAPS filed a brief on behalf of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh in Florida's Fourth District Court of Appeal, opposing the seizure of his medical files in an investigation of drug charges for Limbaugh's alleged misuse of prescription drugs.

Philip Morris executives worked with AAPS executive director Jane Orient to help oppose growing support for indoor smoking bans in the early 2000s

The association's Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JP&S) was previously named the Medical Sentinel from 1996 to 2003. It is not listed in academic literature databases such as MEDLINE, PubMed, or the Web of Science. The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the journal have been criticized by medical experts, and some of the viewpoints advocated by AAPS are rejected by other scientists and medical groups.[69] The U.S. National Library of Medicine declined repeated requests from AAPS to index the journal, citing unspecified concerns

There is more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associ...s_and_Surgeons but to refer to them as a fringe lunatic group is probably giving them a bit much credence.

And that has what to do with the fact that that is where the guide can be found?... you know, the one discussing the use of Ivermectin by those who have successfully used the drugs to treat Covid?

Shooting the messenger only works if the messenger is saying something that hasn't been proven to work, or in this day and age, something that can be twisted to suit the purpose of allowing the messenger to be effectively shot without anyone really noticing... you know, like posting a critique of a group of medical professionals v's a list of their personal preferences in order to deny them their medical status. And they're called beyond lunatic fringe by whom? The fucking pathetic?

The investigation into Ivermectin might have a bit more credibility if it wasn't published in a journal already well known for this :
The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the journal have been criticized by medical experts, and some of the viewpoints advocated by AAPS are rejected by other scientists and medical groups.

[FJRider]

Or they believe they have a Natural right to something and so have the moral authority to use force to Demand it.

What you believe gives you NO RIGHT ... and ... NO "Moral Authority" to use force or make demands. The very thing you abhor with the churches ...

I don't think the problem is the flavour being offered, I think the problem is being forced to drink the coolaid or be excluded from parts of society.

Don't take it then. Oh wait ... YOU DID.

I dunno, Florida, Texas, Arizona, Montana - they all seem to have maintained individual rights and freedoms, despite a certain someone's best efforts.

Three states ... in a country of what ... 50 states .. ?? I'm not sure ... I never delved into US history.

Totally independent? No, of course not. As transparently biased and partisan as the current Media? Definitely not. At least old-school Journos weren't afraid of pissing off The powers that Be in order to get a Scoop (Watergate ring a bell?)

As I've already said ... what you choose to believe is your choice. You'll usually be wrong though.

The "Reporting" was usually of similar style to the Nazi version. ie: This is what you will report.

I've got small kids who are walking Biological weapons, so yeah - I get my Flu jab, not because I'm worried about dying, it's that I don't want to deal with a week off work in bed feeling like Arse.

Almost all the sick days I took ... was because I broke something ...

Sounds like a Gilded cage.

No, Thank you.

I'd prefer a dangerous freedom over a safe prison. Clearly this Government hasn't learned from history.

It's a free country ... in most respects ...

[FJRider]

One is proven to work. The vaccine/jab has proven itself not to work so much.

Depends on what you define as .. working. Have you got Covid yet ... ?? Did your jab not work .. ??

Someone might wanna protest to get the government to tell the government that there's another way.

It's a free country. BUT ... Will that get your desired result ... ???