Biden

[pritch]

https://rumble.com/v127451-new-dines...-election.html

Sorry, but this is too silly. D'souza is a convicted felon. Convicted of what? I hear you ask. Electoral campaign finance fraud.
At least he knows about electoral fraud, he has personal experience, although he wasn't very good at it. He got caught.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...-finance-fraud


After thought: I just had a look at a minute or so of 650R's clip. D'souza, Charlie Kirk, Sebastian Gorka, etc, what a collection of arseholes. Laughable.

[pritch]

LOL R650Rs clip is so suspect that neither Fox nor Newmax will touch 2000 Mules, and they are normally not known for being fussy.

https://www.rawstory.com/2000-mules/

[sugilite:Me]

Well, tell me this: What do you call it when there's a very damaging bit of news to one side in an Election cycle and then multiple News, Media and Social Media institutions declare the Information verboten on pain of Death?

That sort of artificial rigging as far as I'm concerned is sufficient to use the word 'Stolen' (or as they said 'Fortified'). I'll grant you that you probably don't consider it strong enough for that wording, but I trust at the very least you would consider that sort of cartel-like behaviour to be a form of Rigging.

Well, yes information was suppressed, so it would of effected votes to a point. However, my friend from a wordpress group i attended in the states could not vote as those nice republicans had removed the ballet drop boxes in his area, so he never got the chance as the queue he had to stand in did not reach the voting area before cut off. Swings and round a bouts. As I repeatedly say, both parties as bad as each other, just in different ways. People with both eyes open can see it.

[sugilite:Me]

Ryobi?

No, just a cheap knock off gets the job done

Instead we get the very tepid 'Biden is a useless geriatric, but more competent'. I mean, objectively that's not the case, life was objectively better under the Trump presidency.

Objectively, you are edging ever closer to becoming a radicalized RWNJ excludes you from using that word sorry. Life under Trump was pre-covid fallout catching up with the good ole USA. So comparing rotten apples with apples.

Bumbling Grandfatherly type vs Mean Bombastic liar.

I don't think you could have made my point any clearer: There's a good will you are extending to Biden - Bumbling Grandfather who makes bad decisions and is doddery. Y'know - Bad decisions and doddery decisions like forgetting your birthday or driving when you perhaps no longer should.

Not causing massive Inflation
Not the biggest Military Fuck-up in my living memory
Not possibly being paid by the CC-fucking-P.

Inflation would of still occurred if Trump had won. Trump declared he was withdrawing the troops out of Afghanistan, then sensibly passed that hospital pass to Biden, who then did a callous shitty job. Would Trump have been better? Who the fuck knows.

Do you not see how tame your critique of Biden is? And given how fiery the Critique of Trump has been, I think I'm more than justified in pointing out that the standard to which Trump was held and the standard to which he was vilified is worlds away from the standard to which Biden has been held.

Here is an excerpt from my very first post in this thread - "Can Biden rise above his 47 years of quite frankly mediocre performance and actually leave a lasting legacy of decentness? I certainly won't be holding my breath, but I do admit to a spark of hope that he will consistently do the right thing. ". I had low expectations and bless his hart Biden has not let me down.

You are in a team of 1.5 people that feels the way on the forum in regards to poor trumpy wumpy not getting a fair shake of the stick.
Further more, I clearly outlined to you the reason why, and you conveniently forgot to address those and instead present half of what I said as some sort of gotcha moment. So here you go once again....
Trump on the other hand is beyond bombastic, mean tweets, constantly overstates his abilities, and lies like a motherfucker. "I would of run in there unarmed and taken on the gunman at that school" conveniently forgetting daddy funded his multiple draft dodges etc. So which character do you think will attract a good ole kiwi kicking? Seriously

[TheDemonLord]

Well, yes information was suppressed, so it would of effected votes to a point. However, my friend from a wordpress group i attended in the states could not vote as those nice republicans had removed the ballet drop boxes in his area, so he never got the chance as the queue he had to stand in did not reach the voting area before cut off. Swings and round a bouts. As I repeatedly say, both parties as bad as each other, just in different ways. People with both eyes open can see it.

Now, supposing I take your friends word at absolute gospel truth and that this is a clear cut case of Gerrymandering - I hold that the world wide active suppression of the Truth to be a greater threat to any democracy than your friends attempt to vote.

By quite a significant margin.

And to be clear on my standards here - we aren't merely talking about One side says "Man Bad" and the other side says "No, Man Good", this is One side is systematically prevented from saying something that was true.

Objectively, you are edging ever closer to becoming a radicalized RWNJ excludes you from using that word sorry. Life under Trump was pre-covid fallout catching up with the good ole USA. So comparing rotten apples with apples.

Had Biden cancelled, reversed or scaled back any of the relevant policies that are causal to the mess we are currently in, I might let that argument slide - but he didn't, instead he tripled down on them - so no, not buying it in the slightest - all the fallout from Covid is entirely due to Government Policy.

Inflation would of still occurred if Trump had won. Trump declared he was withdrawing the troops out of Afghanistan, then sensibly passed that hospital pass to Biden, who then did a callous shitty job. Would Trump have been better? Who the fuck knows.

Sure, there would have been some Inflation -but there wouldn't have been federal mandates, which caused a whole host of cumulative effects.

As for Afghanistan - Trump has been clear that his plans was to pull out the Civvies, then Equipment, then Military - Would have been a clean exit? Most likely not.

Would it have been the absolute clusterfuck that happened under Biden? I don't think you could have done any worse even if you actively tried.

Here is an excerpt from my very first post in this thread - "Can Biden rise above his 47 years of quite frankly mediocre performance and actually leave a lasting legacy of decentness? I certainly won't be holding my breath, but I do admit to a spark of hope that he will consistently do the right thing. ". I had low expectations and bless his hart Biden has not let me down.

Still a galaxy away from how harsh your critique of Trump is/was. In addition, it's not just the level of critique, but the level of critique for what they have done.

I put it to you this way: Imagine for a moment that Trump was the president of just the Afghanistan withdrawal - what would you be saying to the likes of me?

You wouldn't be saying things like 'Trump is a bit Doddery" - No, I think the criticism would be more like:

"How can you even support this Person? This just shows why complete amateurs who have never held any political office should not be allowed to be President - he's absolutely incompetent - what would you expect from someone who dodged the draft? Military expertise? He's an embarrassment the world over and...."

Have I characterized the types of things you might say about about Trump had it been him correctly? I dare say it would probably be even harsher than that.

And I think you know as well that you wouldn't be merely calling Trump Doddery and Bumbling. This is the point I'm making.

You are in a team of 1.5 people that feels the way on the forum in regards to poor trumpy wumpy not getting a fair shake of the stick.
Further more, I clearly outlined to you the reason why, and you conveniently forgot to address those and instead present half of what I said as some sort of gotcha moment. So here you go once again....
Trump on the other hand is beyond bombastic, mean tweets, constantly overstates his abilities, and lies like a motherfucker. "I would of run in there unarmed and taken on the gunman at that school" conveniently forgetting daddy funded his multiple draft dodges etc. So which character do you think will attract a good ole kiwi kicking? Seriously

Well, there are more than just me and R650 who like Trump, however unlike them, they don't tend to wade into Politics

I mean, Fair shake of the stick - you had a 4 year long witch hunt, based on dodgy information illegally obtained (Muh Russia), constant smear pieces and selective editing of quotes etc. I don't think that could be considered a Fair shake - but that's not the point - All the things you stated:

"beyond bombastic, mean tweets, constantly overstates his abilities, and lies like a motherfucker. "I would of run in there unarmed and taken on the gunman at that school" conveniently forgetting daddy funded his multiple draft dodges etc"

Are just Words.

Whereas when I pay my Mortgage and see that the interest rate has gone up, when I look at the cost of Petrol, when I look at the cost of my weekly shop, when I get notices from Day Care/Gym/Council/whoever that prices are going up - those are of greater concern to me than a few mean things.

So you tell me - what deserves a greater kicking - the person who runs their mouth or the person who ends up costing you money for their incompetence?

[husaberg]

Well, yes information was suppressed, so it would of effected votes to a point. However, my friend from a wordpress group i attended in the states could not vote as those nice republicans had removed the ballet drop boxes in his area, so he never got the chance as the queue he had to stand in did not reach the voting area before cut off. Swings and round a bouts. As I repeatedly say, both parties as bad as each other, just in different ways. People with both eyes open can see it.

Yes i Remember how a politician used campaign funds to buy news storys so the wouldn't be printed.

Appears to be the third instance of Trump associates paying to suppress embarrassing stories about the candidate during the 2016 Presidential race. In August, 2016, A.M.I. paid Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model, a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for her story about a nine-month affair with Trump, and then never published an article about it. (A.M.I. said her story was not credible.) In October, 2016, Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, paid Stephanie Clifford, an adult-film actress who performs under the name Stormy Daniels, a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to keep her account of an affair with Trump secret. (Clifford’s agreement was distinct from McDougal’s in that it was arranged directly with Cohen. A.M.I. was not party to the contracts between Cohen and Clifford that have been released.)
Two of the former A.M.I. employees said they believed that Cohen was in close contact with A.M.I. executives while the company’s reporters were looking into Sajudin’s story, as Cohen had been during other investigations related to Trump. “Cohen was kept up to date on a regular basis,” one source said. Contacted by telephone on Wednesday, Cohen said that he was not available to talk. Subsequent efforts to reach him were unsuccessful. On Monday, F.B.I. agents raided Cohen’s hotel and office. The Times reported that the agents were looking for records related to the payments to McDougal and Clifford, as well as correspondence between Cohen, Pecker, and Dylan Howard, A.M.I.’s chief content officer.ate in 2015, a former Trump Tower doorman named Dino Sajudin met with a reporter from American Media, Inc., the publisher of the National Enquirer, at a McDonald’s in Pennsylvania. A few weeks earlier, Sajudin had signed a contract with A.M.I., agreeing to become a source and to accept thirty thousand dollars for exclusive rights to information he had been told: that Donald Trump, who had launched his Presidential campaign five months earlier, may have fathered a child with a former employee

[TheDemonLord]

Yes i Remember how a politician used campaign funds to buy news storys so the wouldn't be printed.

Yeah - and pray tell - what do you think is more important?

Billionaire has an Affair
or
President taking money from an enemy state

I'm not saying affairs are good, but rich/powerful guys fucking young, attractive women isn't new and it's not a threat to national security. Taking money from the CCP however....

[pritch]

YTaking money from the CCP however

That seems very selective. Would taking money from the CCP, and we must not forget all those Chinese trade marks Ivanka obtained, be worse than taking Russian money? There was reportedly Russian money in the Brexit campaign. There have been Russians, and Russian money, in the US Republican party heirarchy since John McCain's presidential campaign.

[TheDemonLord]

That seems very selective. Would taking money from the CCP, and we must not forget all those Chinese trade marks Ivanka obtained, worse than taking Russian money? There was reportedly Russian money in the Brexit campaign. There have been Russians, and Russian money, in the US Republican party heirarchy since John McCain's presidential campaign.

I mean, first and foremost is that companies in China must have part ownership by the CCP - so just on that basis alone - yes it's worse.

But then at this point the 'Muh Russia' hoax is just that, a Conspiracy theory of the LWNJ.

And to add, that's not the only at best 'improper' conduct that the Laptop revealed.

[pritch]

But then at this point the 'Muh Russia' hoax is just that, a Conspiracy theory of the LWNJ.

I guess Maria Buttina was jailed by mistake? The NRA weren't funneling Ruassian cash, and there are no Russians still holding positions in the GOP, Jared Kusher never tried to set up a back channel to Moscow from the Russian embassy, and Trump wasn't trying to get a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 election despite his denials to the contrary. The Mueller report mentioned hundreds of contacts between Trump's campaign and Russians, but OK it was just a conspiracy theory...

And to add, that's not the only at best 'improper' conduct that the Laptop revealed.

I've seen where the owner of the computer shop in question claims what was on the laptop. He said there was something he thought might be a security concern. He specifically discounted the prurient speculations of the RWNJs.

[TheDemonLord]

I guess Maria Buttina was jailed by mistake? The NRA weren't funneling Ruassian cash, and there are no Russians still holding positions in the GOP, Jared Kusher never tried to set up a back channel to Moscow from the Russian embassy, and Trump wasn't trying to get a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 election despite his denials to the contrary. The Mueller report mentioned hundreds of contacts between Trump's campaign and Russians, but OK it was just a conspiracy theory...

I'm waiting for the part where you present evidence that the Russians actually paid money to Trump.
Or significantly influenced the Election.
Or directly influenced Trump.

Y'know - the actual reason for the Investigation.

Until then, it's a LWNJ Conspiracy theory, based on a lie and illegally obtained information, propagated through the biggest spreaders of 'Misinformation' ever.

I've seen where the owner of the computer shop in question claims what was on the laptop. He said there was something he thought might be a security concern. He specifically discounted the prurient speculations of the RWNJs.

And what specifically was he discounting? And again, I want to point this out - you're crucifying Trump on the basis of way less evidence.

[pritch]

I'm waiting for the part where you present evidence that the Russians actually paid money to Trump.
Or significantly influenced the Election.
Or directly influenced Trump.

Y'know - the actual reason for the Investigation.

Until then, it's a LWNJ Conspiracy theory, based on a lie and illegally obtained information, propagated through the biggest spreaders of 'Misinformation' ever.



And what specifically was he discounting? And again, I want to point this out - you're crucifying Trump on the basis of way less evidence.

Paedophila specifically. The fevered imaginings of RWNJs speculate that's what is on the laptop. If there was something worse they'd be suggesting that was on it too.


If you put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah nah nah it doesn't actually mean there isn't any evidence.

[TheDemonLord]

Paedophila specifically. The fevered imaginings of RWNJs speculate that's what is on the laptop. If there was something worse they'd be suggesting that was on it too.

Okay - and please, show me where I've said or even hinted that Hunter Biden liked to diddle kids? Cause that's one hell of a Strawman...

If you put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah nah nah it doesn't actually mean there isn't any evidence.

Is that like the Evidence you presented, where the guy was convicted of lying about the Muh Russia hoax to the FBI?
Or where you said the Australian Diplomat confirmed it, only for him to say publicly 'that didn't happen'?

Just because you've read it in a biased newspaper with an Agenda, doesn't actually mean it's 'Evidence'.

[husaberg]

Odd that we needed a Biden thread didn't some dicks still claim trump won....

[sugilite:Me]

I think Elon is a big enough Troll to go through with it. The guy seems to not give a shit and he appears to have some serious moral convictions about the nature of Free Speech.

With each passing day, my feelings he is not actually going to go through with it grow. Time will tell.

Well, tell me this: What do you call it when there's a very damaging bit of news to one side in an Election cycle and then multiple News, Media and Social Media institutions declare the Information verboten on pain of Death?

Well, as both sides do similar, coverup damaging stories etc, I would call it an american election cycle.

That sort of artificial rigging as far as I'm concerned is sufficient to use the word 'Stolen' (or as they said 'Fortified'). I'll grant you that you probably don't consider it strong enough for that wording, but I trust at the very least you would consider that sort of cartel-like behaviour to be a form of Rigging.

Actually yes, however from my observations both sides rigging for the 2020 election cycle was extra creative and pretty much cancelled each other out.

Had Biden cancelled, reversed or scaled back any of the relevant policies that are causal to the mess we are currently in, I might let that argument slide - but he didn't, instead he tripled down on them - so no, not buying it in the slightest - all the fallout from Covid is entirely due to Government Policy.

Yes, both administations policies. Covid is a cunt.

As for Afghanistan - Trump has been clear that his plans was to pull out the Civvies, then Equipment, then Military - Would have been a clean exit? Most likely not.

Would it have been the absolute clusterfuck that happened under Biden? I don't think you could have done any worse even if you actively tried.

Talk is cheap, any talk from trump about the Afghanistan withdraw can be taken as seriously as his healthcare replacement for obama care. Talk is cheap.

Still a galaxy away from how harsh your critique of Trump is/was. In addition, it's not just the level of critique, but the level of critique for what they have done.

I put it to you this way: Imagine for a moment that Trump was the president of just the Afghanistan withdrawal - what would you be saying to the likes of me?

You wouldn't be saying things like 'Trump is a bit Doddery" - No, I think the criticism would be more like:

"How can you even support this Person? This just shows why complete amateurs who have never held any political office should not be allowed to be President - he's absolutely incompetent - what would you expect from someone who dodged the draft? Military expertise? He's an embarrassment the world over and...."

Look, you will have to deal with your willful incomprehension without my help. I've explained Trumps personality is why he cops it more. He says he actively looks to create friction - there is a price tag for that.

Well, there are more than just me and R650 who like Trump, however unlike them, they don't tend to wade into Politics

Who am i to deny people their imaginary friends

I mean, Fair shake of the stick - you had a 4 year long witch hunt, based on dodgy information illegally obtained (Muh Russia), constant smear pieces and selective editing of quotes etc.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you no less than 6 - yes six - SIX benghahzi investigations bought by Republican-controlled House committees!
I'll give you a half point by attempting to make out witch hunts were the exclusive purvey of the radical left

I don't think that could be considered a Fair shake - but that's not the point - All the things you stated:

"beyond bombastic, mean tweets, constantly overstates his abilities, and lies like a motherfucker. "I would of run in there unarmed and taken on the gunman at that school" conveniently forgetting daddy funded his multiple draft dodges etc"

Are just Words.

Holy Shit! "Just Words"!!! You just handed me an infinitum amount of get out of jail free cards! Any time you moan henceforth about something some one has said, I will wheel out this gift of a quote, cheers bro.
I could also take it as evidence of your ever deeper sinking into RWNJism.
The defender of free speech on KB reduced to saying words don't matter in defense of his man. Touching, but ultimately weak and delusional at the same time.

Whereas when I pay my Mortgage and see that the interest rate has gone up, when I look at the cost of Petrol, when I look at the cost of my weekly shop, when I get notices from Day Care/Gym/Council/whoever that prices are going up - those are of greater concern to me than a few mean things.

Yeah, look at those big bills in my letterbox, fuck you jacinda, scott, borris, biden, putin, macron, bonsanaro, trudeu etc, etc, etc

So you tell me - what deserves a greater kicking - the person who runs their mouth or the person who ends up costing you money for their incompetence?

Both, but big mouth bully gets more every time for me - call it a character flaw