Stupid World

[sugilite:Me]

There's a long running theme or discussion in right wing circles about this sort of phenomena:

With the exception of the last few years, the rates of Homosexuality and Transgenderism have been pretty consistent, single digit percentages of the population. The fundamental argument for Gay Liberation was that they were born that way, however the statistical likelihood (assuming that nurture/social environment is not a factor at all) of parents having 2 'queer' children is astronomically small.

To the point where it raises very serious refutation of that underlying assumption, it seems there is in fact a social component to this, and if there is - the Christian Right and those who oppose acceptance have a point - if it's a choice, then you can be judged for that choice.

Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:


Edit: At least you got your wish, I did read the book

Well, look how this post has aged? Here I am with the astronomically small percentage of having 2 queer children and I'm also now being labelled a child abuser.
TheDemonLord, the majority of the hate being espoused in your post is by you.
It is people like you that gives me way more fear for my children than a book with two questionable illustrations.
Thank You for so clearly displaying your position.

For me it is not about far left politics or right. It is about my acceptance of my children's position.
For the record, my youngest who is trans started referring to herself as a boy from a very early age, around 5 or 6 - way before wokeness was a thing, certainly not due to any leftie literature. I will be honest and selfishly hoped it was just a phase, I certainly did not encourage it, their mother even less so. I struggled to come to terms to be honest. But if you want to declare me as being a child abuser - well, we live in a so called free society - so have at it so to speak. In the mean time I will continue to love all my children equally.

[TheDemonLord]

Before I post this, I should warn you - I'm entering the Brown-out period of my Job (where essentially I can't do any work) and I'm going on holiday at the end of the day. Which means I will have a lot more time to write ad nauseum replies

Gosh, had I known my book review would be so well received, I would of done heaps more of them!
I'm sure you will be equally endamered with my pending report on critical race theory, I went in deep on that subject.

It was an honest review.

I've never met a non binary person, but my gut feeling is it is a thing for some, and a fad for others. I'm wary of all the boxes shrinks love to put people in, so I do not wholesale subscribe to deeming it a mental disorder such as you do.

I've met a few, the thing for me is though - when I look at their reasons for doing so, it comes more from a place of rejecting reality.

I'm not attempting to be charitable or otherwise with my review. Do I agree with everything in the book? No, but most of it in my opinion is fine, and helpful information for the "target audience".
I agree, the 2 images would cross the line for a fair few people, hence my suggestion that it could so easily have been mitigated with 2 toned down illustrations, or censored illustrations for the 2 images in question.

After I fully read it, I'll be honest here, I draw far more umbrage with the last few pages than I do those 2 images.

There is always fringe wackadoodles in just about any given group of people, I do not wholesale blanket the entire group with the lowest denominator such as you have chosen to do in this case.

I think there's a case to be made that they are the Fringe Wackadoodles, not the group.

I do not disagree with this sentiment, but neither would I be waving my arms around windmill style if my kids had seen this book in a school library. I will say again, because you in no way addressed my solution - the images should of been mitigated, such an easy solution in regards to this specific book.

Sure, the schools should of asked the publishers to mitigate the 2 images if they were so keen to put it in their libraries. The thing with moral standards is they constantly shift north - they have in no way stayed static for the last 150 years. While I do not agree that pornographic images should be shown at school, equally I acknowledge that porn itself is a hell of a lot more mainstream in general than it ever was in the past, and schools should in some fashion at least broach the subject in some form, not show porn, but at least address it exists and that much of it is not true to life. I suppose a lot of boys are quite shocked that near every girl does not want jizz sprayed on their face in the real World. I accept you have deep concerns about what materials teachers should teach, so do I. It should be approached with a calm way with child safety foremost in mind. It should also have an opt out clause for parents that do not wish for their children to take that particular class. This will give the parents that give a shit enough to educate their own children in these matters the option of doing so, while giving the children of parents that do not want to cover that subject themselves a chance to be educated that porn rarely represents real life and respect and consent are the primary directives to be followed.

Surely there is already censorship laws in place to stop pornography being distributed in schools - sure, maybe they need to be overhauled, or simply the existing ones be enforced. I keep saying this - the two images could so easily of been mitigated.

If there are already laws - why did it happen? There is a trail of complicity that lead to this point. At any one point, any rational person should have said 'No, I don't think this belongs in schools' - Any rational school when this was pointed out would have gone 'Oh, yes, I can see why you are upset, we'll remove it from the Library' - instead they doubled down.

Except you seem to neglect mentioning that lgbtq acceptance and rights have made huge strides in recent years, now it is much more acceptable to "come out" and be ok to talk about it without as much fear of bigotry as in the past. Another factor is the predominantly right leaning gas-lighters doing their best to make this a huge end of the earth subject . One unintended effect of this is attention seeking rebellious teens seize upon this as being the new cool rebellious thing to do. Gaslighting does not come for free tdl. It has consequences way beyond it's intended effect - the intended effect in this case being rallying fearful voters to the pollies side. Often the very same pollies that are top of the heap in nefarious sleazy practices.

Actually, no.

Rates of LGBTQ acceptance have been going down in very recent times. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ey/1503758001/

As mentioned I do not subscribe to your blanket notion that trans people have mental disorders. Again, you neglect to take into consideration this growth is due to trans people coming out as they feel it is safer to do so now.
Sure do more studies, completely neutral studies on a large scale are fine, if that is even possible in todays agenda driven "scientific" studies? I doubt it.
I do not feel transgender students should get special treatment. such as I do not agree with them competing in sports for genders they were not born into. Trans people want to be respected and that is fine, but their decisions to follow their feelings and transition comes with limitations. I feel they should be accepted as equal people as they say they want, but biological constraints should in turn be respected by them as well. For instance, it is simply not fair to female athletes to have to compete against biologically born males. In short, I feel if trans people want to be respected, then they should also respect the fact that they should not receive unfair advantages. It is a two way street to my mind.

Sorry to let you know - but what you've described there is Biological Essentialism - Congrats, you are now one of those Right Wing Transphobes

And I'm not even joking or trying to score a cheap point. From the vantage point of the Radical Left wing Gender ideologues, there is no difference between what you've said and my most extreme opinion.

Think about that.

Yes, I agree more than you know about irreversible procedures being carried out on young people. There needs to be an age limit. It is a bloody tough one to address as to what age that might be. 24 or 25 would not be too old in my opinion, but MANY would disagree with me. It is a bit like abortion and people doing runners from police. there is no perfect solution. There are those that genuinely need it, and there will be those which will get a serious case of buyers remorse in spectacular fashion. Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down. They are a menace. So too are people at the other end of the scale that just want to throw a blanket "fix" on the issue and write it off as a mental disorder.

Definitely a Transphobe.

Again, I'm not being glib here - look it up, advocating that Minors or even teenagers shouldn't have access to irreversible medical procedures is Transphobic according to the Trans lobby. 24 or 25 is definitely hateful.

However - I want to stop and point something out:

"Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down."

Is that not exactly what the author said in that she would do in that book?

I read the book coming from 2 distinctly different positions, or realities if you like. The first is during covid, I noticed when several of the TV shows I enjoyed watching came back on air that all of a sudden they were so fucking woke and virtue signalling - I could no longer watch them. And new programs in the last few years all seem to have to have a representative of each race and sexual subscription to the point the story telling got lost with the sheer amount of frivolous characters now embedded into them - meh.

Okay - so you've come to the position that I was in, circa 2013, for me it was the intrusion into Video Gaming (aka Gamer Gate) - you've got a lot of catching up to do.

It's so fucking woke and virtue signalling making them unwatchable and unplayable.

Ask yourself this - why? Why is it that it's unwatchable? Not just the bad fan-fic story writing, is it? There's something else under the surface that just doesn't quite sit right, is there? That itch in the back of your head that tells you 'this isn't right' - but you can't quite put your finger on it..

[TheDemonLord]

Well, look how this post has aged? Here I am with the astronomically small percentage of having 2 queer children and I'm also now being labelled a child abuser.

Are they both Queer? One is a Lesbian, the other is Trans. Certainly statistically unlikely. I know this is splitting hairs, but I'm using the Gender Ideology framing to make the point.

And more to the point - Are you saying the thing I'm talking about specifically isn't real? Are you saying their aren't rabidly left-wing mums who view having a Trans Child as the latest 'accessory'? Are you saying that there aren't people, like in the book, whose a priori radical left-wing views may or may not be causal to certain outcomes?

TheDemonLord, the majority of the hate being espoused in your post is by you.
It is people like you that gives me way more fear for my children than a book with two questionable illustrations.
Thank You for so clearly displaying your position.

Is it justifiable to hate Childless Adults who seek to corrupt children for their own purposes?

And more specifically - what advantage to me and to my kids future is there to take the risk? This is essentially Pascals' Wager: If I'm wrong, I loose nothing. If I'm right, I gain everything.

But that is to ignore the nihilism that I pointed out in my review, plenty of self-reported hate instances in the book and plenty of instances of the author actively seeking to push their ideas onto kids, including medical transitioning, which as you said:

"Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down."

Is that not the exact same extent to which my opinions are 'hateful'?

I mean, I've already pointed out that the very reasonable opinions that you've stated around Sex segregation, biological essentialism and denying transitioning to minors (all opinions that I agree with FYI) - puts you in the same transphobic camp as the most hard-core Right wing Christian conservative that you seem to abhor

when viewed from the perspective of the Gender Ideologues.

For me it is not about far left politics or right. It is about my acceptance of my children's position.

There's a difference between accepting an individual as Trans or whatever (something I've done many times and is, for the most-part, politics free) and Gender Ideology, which is entirely left wing.

For the record, my youngest who is trans started referring to herself as a boy from a very early age, around 5 or 6 - way before wokeness was a thing, certainly not due to any leftie literature.

So, I would say - based on my anecdotal experience that they are more likely to be someone who is genuinely trans if it happened from such an early age. Especially if it persisted.

I would also say, according to Trans ideology, it's referring to himself as a boy

I will be honest and selfishly hoped it was just a phase, I certainly did not encourage it, their mother even less so. I struggled to come to terms to be honest. But if you want to declare me as being a child abuser - well, we live in a so called free society - so have at it so to speak. In the mean time I will continue to love all my children equally.

I've not declared you anything - had our roles been reversed, I'd be saying you are putting words in my mouth, but it's Christmas and I'm fucking around at work because there's no real work to be done and I'm going on holiday in 2 hours, so I'll let it slide.

Now - I'm in a good mood - so here's the key - there's a grey area that most reasonable people are happy operating in, it was the status quo about 10 years ago - incidentally when Acceptance was at it's highest. You got Gay Marriage, protections in law - easy, job done.

There were trans people then, who sought medical help and some of them it was determined by reasonableness that their gender dysphoria was so severe that they need surgery and hormones etc. No problem, I want everyone to be a functioning member of society.

Now, there's some fringe bigots (and there always will be - remember that) but for the most part, we had acceptance and tolerance.

And then they started to push it more... and more... and more... to the point where they are showing Porn to kids, giving kids butt plugs, sterilizing kids and getting them dependent on Medical interventions for life, promoting it in schools, covering it up when it leads to rape in schools, wanting biological men to access and compete in female spaces/competitions etc. etc.

The reasonable people, especially the parents, at this point said 'No'. If we can't trust you, then you can't be trusted.

[sugilite:Me]

Are they both Queer? One is a Lesbian, the other is Trans. Certainly statistically unlikely. I know this is splitting hairs, but I'm using the Gender Ideology framing to make the point.

And more to the point - Are you saying the thing I'm talking about specifically isn't real? Are you saying their aren't rabidly left-wing mums who view having a Trans Child as the latest 'accessory'? Are you saying that there aren't people, like in the book, whose a priori radical left-wing views may or may not be causal to certain outcomes?

Here is what you said - "Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:"
So I'm exempt from this statement because I'm a man? Or because I only have one trans?
Your many blanket generalizations that you refuse to pull back from and then go on to double down with after I made a attempt at a serious conversation - honestly, why would I bother talking with you further on this subject? I now consider the whole trans subject closed with you, not because you beat me back with good points, rather I see no point conversing with someone that is not willing to engage in a talk of possible solutions, you just want to stir the pot with shit tons of those blanket generalizations you love so much.

It seems to me, you are so determined to put me in a box. The reason I come across as being so left with you, is because 80+% of our conversations are in the Trump thread where you unwaveringly defended the indefensible - and I add all the trump apologists into that which if course is made up of nearly the whole republican party. How is that working out for them now btw?- The prior unwavering support of a reprehensible human being. 3 time losers and counting. The fact the repubs are just now cottoning on to how toxic trump is for their party beggars belief.

The truth of it as I have tried many times to explain to you. Is I despise pollies in equal measure, just in different ways.
Thus it matters not to me when you point out my views are the same as the right, or left. The same as I view a good idea as being simply a good idea. I do not care where it came from, marxist, conservative, the tooth fairy. I simply do not care. A good idea, is a good idea. My observation is you need to scrutinize and assign political slants on near any given situation and if it comes from the left, trash it. I've lost count of your "deep marxist roots" attributions.
So before you try once again to assign me to a box, consider this.... I do subscribe to the saying if you do not vote, you lose the right to moan. I'm very unimpressed with Labor. I kinda thought Winston may have shot down and held them back from implementing worthwhile policy, but since having the numbers to rule alone, I now can see they are simply a shit Government that gets very little achieved - compared to what they could have done with the numbers they had - and squandered. I stopped voting for greens 3 cycles ago when I considered actual green issues were not actually what they stood for. So this election, I'm going to very carefully consider acts policies as well as national before deciding and holding my nose as I vote for the least shit bunch of pollies available. So I guess in a scathing way, I'm a swing voter - the very kind of voter that fucked over the wackadoodle republicans so called red wave.

And a fun fact, my last post was censored by a KB moderator. I dared to use your first name in an attempt to show you this was me seriously trying to talk with you as a person, rather than our usual internet trolley type banter we both usually engage in. Apparently kb is no place for shock horror - first names! Fuck it is hardly doxing using a fairly common first name eh. I'm an Anthony - oh shit, I've done it again, how long will it be until my name gets censored.
Meh.

[mashman]

Quick everyone, get your Bitcoin n shit off of Binance ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

it seems the Tesla does have design elements that I thought they’d missed out on utilising. Pretty good elements if functional too. Shows a lack of understanding thought that Tesla and the media didn’t trumpet these features.
Also those of us living in the real world know all to well that technology isn’t 100% foolproof.
I can foresee Discovery channel signing up Jamie Davis towing for another season soon as these trucks hit the Coquiholla Highway.....

It's not unusual for Tesla to modify and upgrade production of their vehicles sometimes weekly , even on the production line itself, it's encouraged by Musk, Tesla is always improving their vehicles.

This is a manufacturing strength for Tesla which is why their margins are so much higher than any legacy auto manufacturer or Chinese ev maker.

Sometimes a brand new Tesla can be outdated straight from the factory, because they constantly improving their products, so I wouldn't be surprised if today's Tesla semi is technically very different when they eventually start landing on our shores.

[F5 Dave]

What is quite fashionable is blaming parents for their children. Actually more a constant. Especially women. Helicopter mothers, frigid mothers, absent mothers.

Gay? Autistic? Have a mental problem? Blame the mother.

The alternative is to blame Dog. Every good Christian knows we are made in his image so it isn't palatable to admit that he keeps making neutrally diverse humans that goes against the narrative of the bible. I mean it's just begging to admit he doesn't exist.

So blame the mother instead. They somehow rewired thier brains. Naughty, Wicked Witches.

[R650R]

People in Ukraine are now unable to sign up for Twitter. The software will not accept Ukraine telephone numbers. So much for his obsession with free speech.
This has not gone unnoticed, Russian media are praising Musk.


Meanwhile back at Tesla...

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...wVNZEuUgM6ywRs

There is a war on you know, control of info etc.... No different to us not being able to watch Russia Today on YouTube (they did do great documentaries)
Prob more to do with the computer at Twitter not being able to connect to Ukraine telecoms management. I’d expect it be well bricked up right now to guard against hackers.

[R650R]

@ Trump NFT. I mean seriously wtf. It's up there with the kids who pumped and dumped and made a cool 100 million from the dealing that are now going to jail. Stupid world at it's absolute finest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/u...superhero.html
All jokes aside anything “limited edition” eventually has value to collectors, especially in large countries like UK and USA where the population is large enough to support weirdo niche hobby interests.

[sugilite:Me]

Elon Thinskin - the resident twitter free-speech absolutist appears to have had a change of heart......

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitte...s-viral-uproar

Funny on so many levels with plenty of crying all over the show.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Thinskin - the resident twitter free-speech absolutist appears to have had a change of heart......

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitte...s-viral-uproar

Funny on so many levels with plenty of crying all over the show.

These so called journalist were tweeting Elon Musks real time location, some crazy was jumping on a car with his young son in it, Elon wasn't even in the car, like Musk said, if these journalists had their real time location tweeted the FBI would be all over it.

There's multiple death threat's on himself and his family

[sugilite:Me]

These so called journalist were tweeting Elon Musks real time location, some crazy was jumping on a car with his young son in it, Elon wasn't even in the car, like Musk said, if these journalists had their real time location tweeted the FBI would be all over it.

There's multiple death threat's on himself and his family

Sounds shocking mate. Has Elon per chance posted any video, photos or screenshots of these heinous acts?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Sounds shocking mate. Has Elon per chance posted any video, photos or screenshots of these heinous acts?

His legal team is on it,

Can you post up Elon Musks heinous acts against yourself, perhaps financially , mentally or physically that has made you dislike him so?

[pritch]

There is a war on you know, control of info etc....

I doubt it. It's just Musk demonstating his commitment to free speech. For which flexible commitment the Russian media are praising him.

If Putin's mouthpieces are praising you, it's likely you fucked up.

[pritch]

His legal team is on it,

Which legal team? He fired them and then fired their replacement. All completely normal behaviour of course.

I note there are calls at Tesla for a new CEO. They want a full time one.