Jacinda

[sugilite:Me]

Poooooh, what's that smell? Smells like too much assumption and not enough research

[TheDemonLord]

Poooooh, what's that smell? Smells like too much assumption and not enough research

I 100% agree....

The Green and Labour policies were derived from too much assumption and not enough research - which is why they made things worse....

Also - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Sugi.

[husaberg]

On August 6, 2021, Refining NZ shareholders voted to stop refining and for Marsden Point to become an import terminal, with the loss of 240 jobs and 160 contractors.
Which part of this is not true and correct?

Poooooh, what's that smell? Smells like too much assumption and not enough research

Thats so funny nearly as funny as R650R wanting it nationalised.....
what you will never see is an admission from either they cocked it up

Mardsen point lot about 48 million due to Crusher Collins husbands kauri log company digging up the pipeline when she was MINISTER OF ENERGY



https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/09/1...t-allegations/
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/09/1...t-allegations/
https://eitr545824759.wordpress.com/...-been-charged/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brian-...G62QT6YWBA5NM/
https://fyi.org.nz/request/6595-invo...kland?unfold=1
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-...AXSK24YQB4X5A/
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hans...peters-winston
https://fyi.org.nz/request/6595-invo...kland?unfold=1
https://www.1news.co.nz/2019/09/16/n...48m-in-damage/

[FJRider]

It was Tongue in cheek - referring more to the Labour/Green Agenda and the results of their stupid legislation that has lead to this point.

Well ... in the space of about six years ... the Refinery went from an annual profit of around $450 million to around $250 million.

Staff wage increases didn't (wouldn't ??) affect it that much.


So ... what part of the "Labour/Green Agenda" was the cause of that fucking BIG loss ... ??



Don't say "Covid" ... because the big industries were still working. The Trucks didn't stop working. If you worked in the "essential industries" ... it was life as usual. And even they were wanting more staff. But people wanted to STAY HOME and get paid. Or just simply just wanted to do what they were doing (and for shit pay usually) in the non-essential work places.

The "Hero's" of that period though ... were the Home Help brigade. Even given priority entrance in the supermarkets. And the firms employing staff for that work ... still couldn't get enough workers to fill their staffing needs. Go figure.

[TheDemonLord]

Well ... in the space of about six years ... the Refinery went from an annual profit of around $450 million to around $250 million.

So ... what part of the "Labour/Green Agenda" was the cause of that fucking BIG loss ... ??

I mean... You kinda answer your own question there...

The existence of the Labour/Green Agenda that has been hostile to the Petroleum industry. I mean, one look at the US and the effect of the Democrat policies on Oil/Energy production shows a textbook example of what I'm talking about.

But since I know you want specifics:

The 2018 ban on oil Exploration in Taranaki
The Electric Vehicles Program
Covid Policy (see below)

Don't say "Covid" ... because the big industries were still working. The Trucks didn't stop working. If you worked in the "essential industries" ... it was life as usual. And even they were wanting more staff. But people wanted to STAY HOME and get paid. Or just simply just wanted to do what they were doing (and for shit pay usually) in the non-essential work places.

You: "What was the Cause!?"
Also You: "But you can't mention the single biggest Government-induced economic upheaval that we are still feeling the repercussions from"

I mean, as much as I'm loathed to cite Stuff as a source:

and the business was heavily impacted by Covid-19 – both from local lockdowns stopping Kiwis driving around and flights being heavily restricted.

TL;DR - There's a cost to keep a business going, you need to invest etc. and when the Government has pretty much told you that they hate you and your industry and want you to cease to exist... And that they could legislate you out of Millions of dollars of investment in a single instance (kinda like another Ban by the Labour party....) - would you risk your money?

Or would you say 'Fuck it, too hard' and move your investment elsewhere?

[pete376403]

Well ... in the space of about six years ... the Refinery went from an annual profit of around $450 million to around $250 million.

And that wasn't enough to make it worth keeping the refinery open?

[R650R]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ralian-analyst

Who knows the full story prob only shareholders and directors. But it was an important strategic assett from many angles. The local knowledge and infrastructure base alone is worth it. Those type of people their skills will mostly be lost to off shore employers now.
We propped up a second rate airline, an international mining giants smelter why not something useful.

[FJRider]

I mean... You kinda answer your own question there...

The thing is ... ANY Government in this countries future WILL make money from the fuel industry. And lots of it.

1. From GST at the fuel station pumps.

2. From tax on the fuel industry workers.

3. Import duties on every tanker load, whatever the load.

4. Tax from the profits of the various fuel companies involved ... from the importing ... to the various companies that have their name painted on the pumps.


No doubt there will be a few others with fingers in the pie ... that I haven't mentioned. You might know more in this regard that I know of (and care little about).

One thing IS for certain ... I doubt that the industry will fold in my lifetime. Nor in yours.


The industry was ALWAYS reliant on Tanker imports ... and there were a few "shortages" in tanker loads of crude in the past. I think by design to cause /require a price hike at the pumps. And people paid it.




My theory anyway ...


But lets see what happens after the next election.


Be sure to vote ... if you don't ... you'll you'll have no right to moan if the result is not what you wanted.



But you probably would anyway ...

[TheDemonLord]

The thing is ... ANY Government in this countries future WILL make money from the fuel industry. And lots of it.

That's assuming a rational Government that isn't focused on a utopian vision. Of late, the evidence has been rather clear that this is not the case.

One thing IS for certain ... I doubt that the industry will fold in my lifetime. Nor in yours.

I agree, on a practical level - I don't think EVs will work as a mass replacement for Cars (unless there is mass Government regulation - which is likely what they will do. I fucking hate paper straws).

Nor do I think that the functional uses of Plastic (that is, the things that Plastic is really good at) have adequate replacements - Totebags are annoying, Paper Straws disintegrate etc.

But none of those practical realities look to be an impediment to young idio... I mean ideologues who think 'Oil Bad'.

I mean, when they were gluing themselves to artwork, screeching at the top of their lungs to 'Stop Oil' and then saying 'There's an Energy crisis and people can't afford to heat their homes' and not having the realization that maybe their advocacy for one, was causing the other...

[FJRider]

That's assuming a rational Government that isn't focused on a utopian vision. Of late, the evidence has been rather clear that this is not the case.

Can you see a person on a benefit in NZ being able to purchase an electric vehicle .. ???

With the Governments policy of making it a Welfare State ... then handicapping the very people they're claiming to advocate for.

I agree, on a practical level - I don't think EVs will work as a mass replacement for Cars (unless there is mass Government regulation - which is likely what they will do. I fucking hate paper straws).

Nor do I think that the functional uses of Plastic (that is, the things that Plastic is really good at) have adequate replacements - Totebags are annoying, Paper Straws disintegrate etc.

But none of those practical realities look to be an impediment to young idio... I mean ideologues who think 'Oil Bad'.

I mean, when they were gluing themselves to artwork, screeching at the top of their lungs to 'Stop Oil' and then saying 'There's an Energy crisis and people can't afford to heat their homes' and not having the realization that maybe their advocacy for one, was causing the other...

I hate paper straws. I bought a box of plastic ones. Problem solved.

A more efficient recycling ethic would have a much better result (Green wise) in reducing oil use ... than half-assed policies to impress the international Green movement.

We've had a few gluing themselves to railway tracks. To stop Coal carrying trains.

It seems Gas bottle deliveries are increasing in the south. Many commercial eating places are converting to gas for heating/cooking. I wonder how long before Gas use will be outlawed.

[TheDemonLord]

then handicapping the very people they're claiming to advocate for.

Exactly my point

[FJRider]

Exactly my point

You had a point ... Who knew ... ??

[mashman]

It seems Gas bottle deliveries are increasing in the south. Many commercial eating places are converting to gas for heating/cooking. I wonder how long before Gas use will be outlawed.

Biden administration weighs nationwide ban on gas stoves: report ... also seen a few people talking about similar in the last 24 hrs, including AOC. How long does it usually take the woke train to get here.

[FJRider]

Biden administration weighs nationwide ban on gas stoves: report ... also seen a few people talking about similar in the last 24 hrs, including AOC. How long does it usually take the woke train to get here.

A local company is advertising for a driver to do Gas bottle deliveries in the Dunedin area. They are very busy apparently.

How long have have you got .. ??

[george formby]

A local company is advertising for a driver to do Gas bottle deliveries in the Dunedin area. They are very busy apparently.

How long have have you got .. ??

How bizarre, I was offered a job delivering gas a couple of weeks ago. Can't reverse for shit so declined.