The Ukraine

[Katman]

However, I also read about Sailing under False Colours - which is a valid ruse so long as the correct colours are shown before the attack commenced.

How would you classify the actions of a soldier dressing in the uniform of the enemy in order to infiltrate their line so he could then shoot them in the back?

[TheDemonLord]

How would you classify the actions of a soldier dressing in the uniform of the enemy in order to infiltrate their line so he could then shoot them in the back?

It depends.

Using disguises to commit espionage or sabotage are explicitly fair game. Some sources even talk about that a Saboteur, in a false uniform may be entitled to use lethal force, without comitting a War Crime.

However, there is a lot of opinion and it is divided.

It *seems* to be that if the Sabateur has been made (e.g. recognized as an enemy combatant) - then because the enemy are no longer decieved - they can attack.

However, targetted assassinations do not have such a protection.

I must also stress that going about in disguise means you forfeit certain protections as an Armed combatant - for example, Spies are allowed to be summarily executed.

It's all wonderfully grey and murky that makes for a cracking good read.

[Katman]

It depends.

Using disguises to commit espionage or sabotage are explicitly fair game. Some sources even talk about that a Saboteur, in a false uniform may be entitled to use lethal force, without comitting a War Crime.

However, there is a lot of opinion and it is divided.

It *seems* to be that if the Sabateur has been made (e.g. recognized as an enemy combatant) - then because the enemy are no longer decieved - they can attack.

However, targetted assassinations do not have such a protection.

I must also stress that going about in disguise means you forfeit certain protections as an Armed combatant - for example, Spies are allowed to be summarily executed.

It's all wonderfully grey and murky that makes for a cracking good read.

In this particular instance, he won a Victoria Cross for it.

[TheDemonLord]

In this particular instance, he won a Victoria Cross for it.

Clive Hulme?

[Katman]

Clive Hulme?

Yeah, when Joachim Peiper did it, it was a war crime.

But when Clive Hulme did it he was awarded our highest decoration.

Go figure.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, when Joachim Peiper did it, it was a war crime.

But when Clive Hulme did it he was awarded our highest decoration.

Go figure.

I'm not uniquely familiar with either situation.

[Katman]

I'm not uniquely familiar with either situation.

I have no doubt you'll remedy that.

- but because I am me I did a bit of reading on it.

[pritch]

Ukraine has pulled of another stunning drone attack. A train carrying military equipment also included some wagons for carrying grain. The latter opened to allow drones to launch. The drones first attacked and stopped the engine then systematically destroyed the tanks and armoured vehicles.

The comments at the top of this item reflect the view of a Russian.
https://countylocalnews.com/breaking...n-obliterated/

[husaberg]

Ukraine has pulled of another stunning drone attack. A train carrying military equipment also included some wagons for carrying grain. The latter opened to allow drones to launch. The drones first attacked and stopped the engine then systematically destroyed the tanks and armoured vehicles.

The comments at the top of this item reflect the view of a Russian.
https://countylocalnews.com/breaking...n-obliterated/

Odd the local conspiracy twits are not claiming all of these attacked are false flag attacked like they do when its the US or UK or Ukraine...

[pritch]

It seems Russian losses of armour have been such that the Russians are now resorting to using motorcycles. The best use of the bikes would be to head east at speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBPe1IBFNU

[TheDemonLord]

The Chieftain giving an almost hour long talk about Drones.

[Pursang]

[QUOTE=pritch;1131237332]It seems Russian losses of armour have been such that the Russians are now resorting to using motorcycles.
The best use of the bikes would be to head east at speed./QUOTE]

[pete376403]

Trump & Putins meeting in Alaska, mulling over how much of Ukraine to give to the aggressor. Hasn't this been tried before, in 1938 at the Munich agreement, Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland territory ceded to Germany ( necessary to unite all German-speaking peoples) and Chamberlain declaring "peace in our time"? Look how well that turned out.

[pritch]

Trump & Putins meeting in Alaska, mulling over how much of Ukraine to give to the aggressor. Hasn't this been tried before, in 1938 at the Munich agreement, Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland territory ceded to Germany ( necessary to unite all German-speaking peoples) and Chamberlain declaring "peace in our time"? Look how well that turned out.

That was a relatively simple time. Chamberlain was not a German asset. Trump is a Russian asset.

[husaberg]

Trump & Putins meeting in Alaska, mulling over how much of Ukraine to give to the aggressor. Hasn't this been tried before, in 1938 at the Munich agreement, Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland territory ceded to Germany ( necessary to unite all German-speaking peoples) and Chamberlain declaring "peace in our time"? Look how well that turned out.

From what I understand, Czechoslovakia's defensive lines were based around defending this area. So once this area was gone so was their ability to protect the Whole rest of the country.