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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Ooh can we all have a go?

    90% of people who die suddenly overnight had a hot meal that evening.

    Cmon Sheeple. Hot food is killing us.
    It's all a ploy of Big Appliance to commit genocide.

    I'll try again.

    100% of the participants of Andrew Wakefield's ground breaking study most likely had a hot meal before. So it's hot meals not mmr vaccine that causes autism.
    I mean we could probably check this. There's only 12 people to chase up.

    That's some high quality study right there. Oh. And all of these 'participants ' had underlying medical conditions.
    That's a good random cross section to base conclusions from.

    Tag. Who's next?
    Its funny cause it's true ...bBut not for the people who suffered as a result of his get rich quick money making scheme
    Although Wakefeild went even further, in that as you said he hand selected child that he then diagnosed or were already diagnosed or himself incorrectly diagnosed with developmental conditions before the were vaccinated with a condition (autism) as well as one he also made up)
    Then as you and everyone else other than a few idiots say attempted to present this as a randomly selected trial of vaccinated children.
    To make it worse he did so simply to make money for himself as only he had a patent for a vaccine that would not cause the conditions he hand selected for and made up with a test that diagnosed it that he also had created .... He also subjected the children to obtrusive invasive and unneeded tests.

    Wakefraud fabricated Data

    It was discovered that the medical histories of the 12 children in the study were altered to fit the claim that vaccines caused autism.
    Fabricated Diagnoses
    While the paper claimed to identify "regressive autism" in children after the MMR vaccine, records showed that 3 of the 9 children reported with autism did not have it, and 5 already had preexisting developmental issues before vaccination.
    Misrepresented Symptoms
    His "Unremarkable" colonic reports were changed to "nonspecific colitis".
    Undisclosed conflicts of Interest
    Wakefield was secretly paid over £400,000 to assist in lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers, creating a massive incentive to produce a fraudulent outcome.
    No Ethics Approval
    The investigations found that children were subjected to invasive procedures (like colonoscopies) without appropriate ethical approval.

    Consequences Wakefraud was stuck off and Millions of children suffered needlessly from diseases and conditions they never needed to contract and pillocks like Steve White a Taupo conspiracy idiot who has no children continues to spread utter rubbish for years afterwards as he is a total moron who would willingly swallow a whole load of anything Wakefield offered to put in his mouth.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Wow - wikipedia.
    This is a Katman thing. In reality it's just a sad cop out. Doesn't matter if it's Wikipedia, "Mills and Boone", Snopes, or Vanity Fair. The fact is that the information appearing there is not wrong just because you deride the source. In fact that you don't like it is probably a recommendation, considering the total crap that you do believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    This is a Katman thing. In reality it's just a sad cop out. Doesn't matter if it's Wikipedia, "Mills and Boone", Snopes, or Vanity Fair. The fact is that the information appearing there is not wrong just because you deride the source. In fact that you don't like it is probably a recommendation, considering the total crap that you do believe.
    As a laugh I asked Ai to study Karens posts on KB including in pointless drivel
    here is what it said.
    The Kiwibiker forum functions as a social ecosystem."Katman" is widely regarded by the community as a persistent troll who uses the "Pointless Drivel" section to spam conspiracy theories and inflammatory nonsense to provoke reactions. His behaviour is a classic example of attention-seeking through digital disruption. While the community has developed a collective "immune response" to ignore or mock "katman," . The behavior exhibited by "katman" on the Kiwibiker forum suggests a significant departure from the principles of critical thinking, which require the objective analysis of information, the evaluation of evidence, and the logical synthesis of facts to form a conclusion. In the context of his frequent engagement with conspiracy theories, his output often demonstrates a reliance on "motivated reasoning"—a psychological process where individuals process information in a way that confirms their pre-existing beliefs rather than testing them against reality.
    In short, "katman" appears to lack the fundamental critical thinking skill of falsifiability. A hallmark of logical thought is the willingness to subject one's theories to rigorous testing and to discard them if they fail to align with empirical evidence. Instead, his contributions often utilise "circular reasoning," where the theory itself is treated as the proof, and contradictory evidence is dismissed as part of a larger, often nefarious, cover-up.This approach bypasses the logical structure required for rational discourse, rendering his theories immune to correction and effectively insulating them from the standard requirements of logic and critical inquiry check against the misinformation and noise generated by trolls, preventing the community from devolving into a pure echo chamber of fringe beliefs.
    The behavior exhibited by the user "katman" on the Kiwibiker forum—specifically the persistent dissemination of conspiracy theories, inflammatory rhetoric, and attention-seeking outbursts—is often analyzed by psychologists through the lens of maladaptive personality traits rather than a singular clinical diagnosis. Bluntly, his posting history suggests a compulsive need for social validation and a desire to disrupt established community norms to assert a sense of power or relevance.


    In clinical terms, such behavior often correlates with high levels of "need for uniqueness" or narcissistic tendencies, where the individual seeks to distinguish themselves by rejecting mainstream consensus in favor of fringe or "secret" knowledge. This is frequently a compensatory mechanism for feelings of inadequacy or social alienation. While it is impossible to diagnose an individual without a clinical evaluation, the pattern of "trolling" and the fixation on "pointless drivel" often stem from a lack of healthy social integration or a history of seeking negative reinforcement when positive social interaction fails. His outbursts are not necessarily the result of a specific trauma, but rather a learned behavioral pattern where the "shock value" of his posts provides the dopamine hit of attention that he otherwise struggles to obtain through constructive, rational discourse.


    In short, "katman" functions as a classic digital provocateur: his posts are a performative cry for relevance, utilizing contrarianism to force the community to acknowledge his presence, even if that acknowledgment is purely reactionary or dismissive.
    Funny .......



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    Ouch.

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    *classic digital provocateur* lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    finally the mainstream media is starting to hold the government's Covid response to account -.
    Honours all round for a world leading response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Honours all round for a world leading response?
    Lol - you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Lol - you wish.
    Your opinion is as usual is fundamentally and factually wrong.

    the Royal Commission writes that New Zealand’s response was “among the best in the world” and the government “delivered one of the most successful Covid-19 responses of any country”. The elimination strategy “has earned global praise, and deservedly so” the commission finds, preventing Covid-19 infections until the vaccine was rolled out and preventing “the premature deaths of thousands of New Zealanders”.

    The benefits extended beyond population and individual health. On non-health metrics too, the response excelled. “New Zealanders spent less time in lockdown than many other countries”, the economy “recovered more quickly and strongly than other comparable countries”, “learners missed fewer days of school … than in most comparable countries” and students “continued to perform above the OECD average”.



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    I didn't line up for a shot of experimental gene therapy juice.
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    There was a time when health information from a US govt source could be considered authoritative and reliable. Sadly that time has passed. Under Trump and RFK Jr it's likely to be just content for cookers and conspiracy theorists.

    And thanks husaberg for the excellent graph and comments.
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    I am surprised as his is the first decent study you have ever posted in the history of this thread out of hundreds of crap you have posted before. But the study has some pretty fundamental issues which are themselves stated in the limitations
    This study was a retrospective, single-center cohort study comprising 96 cases of PC. However, the 79 cases in which anti-spike IgG4 was measured included specimens that were collected in approximately 3 months. The sample size of 96 cases was small, corresponding to 96 out of 272 PC patients treated during the same period, and all the PC cases with IgG4 were not measured. Therefore, there is a possibility of bias in the sample selected for IgG4 measurements. All the stages of PC were included in this study. The number of vaccination doses considered in this study did not account for subsequent vaccinations received after the blood collection or history of COVID-19. The study also did not consider potential confounding factors such as patient comorbidities, concurrent treatment, or vaccine type. The present study revealed discrepancies between the Gehan-Breslow-Wilcoxon test results and the multivariate analysis results regarding the effect of IgG4 on PC prognosis. Because of the small sample size, it is difficult to explain this discrepancy precisely. Further study is required to determine the impact of IgG4 on PC prognosis. Future research should incorporate a larger cohort size and investigate additional mechanisms involved in the immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following vaccination.
    The other issues are whilst some studies link elevated IgG4 to poorer cancer prognosis, scientists emphasise that cancer itself often triggers IgG4 production itself to protect the tumor from the immune system.

    Also lastly the mortality differences relate to morality of people already with cancer surviving 3 months less, it is an interesting anomaly. but one that might be far more easily attributed to a range of other factors not related at all to vaccination.it only accounts for vaccinations up to the blood test it doesn't count vaccinations afterwards.
    Also for instance the study doesn't allow for why certain people received multiple vaccinations vs others.

    Certain other substances can (depending on the dose ) either increase the likelihood or protect cells from cancer some of these are found in breast milk like other Immunoglobulins are.

    I can point to to some rather interesting substances that as well as fighting or promoting cancer can also make rats and other mammals smarter. But extensive history on what you post would suggest your interest is more in promoting vaccination conspiracies or many other conspiracies rather than any real science about cancer prevention or causes.



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    I didn't line up for a shot of experimental gene therapy juice.
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    Your links author can you share what is her PHD is in?
    Also the site she works for, who started it? Hint its RFK Jr

    Leadership
    The organization was founded as the World Mercury Project in 2007, and was led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from 2015 to 2024. Kennedy has been described as a "clear and present danger" to public health due to his promotion of anti-vaccine views, and he has continued this advocacy while holding positions of public trust. The Guardian
    Children's Health Defense (CHD) is widely characterized by public health experts, scientists, and major media outlets as a prominent source of anti-vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories, rather than a legitimate scientific organization. While it operates as a non-profit activist group, its content frequently promotes debunked claims and distrust in public health institutions. The Lancet



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    must be a full moon again, the clowns are out. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/t...formation.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    As a laugh I asked Ai to study Karens posts on KB including in pointless drivel
    here is what it said.


    Funny .......
    Scarily accurate. Which AI?

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