She's gone.

[peasea]

Part of my job is 'supervising' child sex offenders and rehabilitating them back into the community. They are prescribed medication to lower their lebido, but that still does not stop a simple Farmers mail flyer 'setting them off'. The system is very prehistoric and needs a lot of work. What you all saw on the news... tip of the ice berg, let me assure you. I could tell you stories about how one client used to 'have his way' with dead domestic cats... well they wernt dead when he got them... and others that actually offended while under professional care - we are talking 2:1 staffing and the client still managed to offend... sexually... a young girl in a public toilet block.

There is a hell of a lot more to it that what you all saw on the news... its going on right now. Every day.

You're scaring me.....

Why can't we agree on a sentence?
One that includes/starts with/ culminates in DEATH?

These freaks are NOT normal, why do we waste your time and OUR money on them? Shoot them. Society has become too 'touchy-feely' and wanting to save all the "backward-arse-country-fucks" that really should be put down.

Again, I'll ask; If that was your kid, what's your sentence???

[Ghost_Bullet]

So what is your sentence?

Sentance, a crime beyound doubt would be death... this will be the only way to get the message of zero tollerance.
Sure you might be able to put them in jail and reabilitate... what % works though????
Prison sure is not a nice place... but it is not unbearable, and certainly is no where as near harsh enough.
Would it stop others that may commit the same crime???? very hard question... there are plenty of people beyound caring about any kind of justice... getting caught maybe there glory and recognition.

The world is overcrowded by the human disease as it is... criminals of the worst kind just take up valuable space.

[peasea]

Sentance, a crime beyound doubt would be death... this will be the only way to get the message of zero tollerance.
Sure you might be able to put them in jail and reabilitate... what % works though????
Prison sure is not a nice place... but it is not unbearable, and certainly is no where as near harsh enough.
Would it stop others that may commit the same crime???? very hard question... there are plenty of people beyound caring about any kind of justice... getting caught maybe there glory and recognition.

The world is overcrowded by the human disease as it is... criminals of the worst kind just take up valuable space.

Good points.
So many thugs these days get their jollies just by being banged up, heroes to their mates etc etc.

Shoot them and the problem no longer exists. You don't have to feed them look after them or deal with their antics.

Re-habilitate? What a crock.

[Disco Dan]

You're scaring me.....

Why can't we agree on a sentence?
One that includes/starts with/ culminates in DEATH?

These freaks are NOT normal, why do we waste your time and OUR money on them? Shoot them. Society has become too 'touchy-feely' and wanting to save all the "backward-arse-country-fucks" that really should be put down.

Again, I'll ask; If that was your kid, what's your sentence???

As I am sure you are aware, as the worlds population increases the extremes become more extreme. A person touching a 17 year old girl is no longer the extreme today, now their touching babies. Same goes for any aspect of society, in this case abuse. The line will keep moving. As laws toughen, a larger percentage of the population is affected. ...you cant have the population of the majority increase without the minority increasing too... the scary thing is 99% of these horrific acts never actually make it to the news.

[peasea]

Death, pure and simple...and to hell with this PC BS...

I have already made that point clear on the previous thread about "death penaltie".

You touch my baby, you die. Very straight forward.

We should meet, just so I can pin a medal of good community spirit on you.

[Ghost_Bullet]

You don't have to feed them look after them or deal with their antics.

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It costs around 60K to keep a crim in a cell, per year.. damn most of us would not even earn that much.....

[007XX]

We should meet, just so I can pin a medal of good community spirit on you.

Thanks for the thought (re: medal), but I'll be happy to just meet and have a drink...anyday!

[peasea]

It costs around 60K to keep a crim in a cell, per year.. damn most of us would not even earn that much.....

My point exactly; a .303 bullet runs at about a buck and half I'd guess. Call me a red-neck but I still say if you wipe out a child abuser you not only save a child but you probably save the one after that too.

[NZsarge]

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[jazbug5]

Poor wee thing. At least she is at peace now; I hope her siblings will be better protected from now on.

As for death penalties for paedophiles, as much as I sympathise with that on several levels, have you considered that they may resort to killing a child far sooner if they think its testimony might lead to a conviction - and that the consequence could be death?

Maybe we could send them to work camps for the rest of their 'naturals', though... somewhere with plenty of biting insects, for example.

[scumdog]

My point exactly; a .303 bullet runs at about a buck and half I'd guess. Call me a red-neck but I still say if you wipe out a child abuser you not only save a child but you probably save the one after that too.

A .22 will do the job even cheaper.

Or you could line them up in threes and use the one .303 for all three at once...

[scumdog]

As long as judges dish out lame sentences we will always see this. How do we obtain justice from judges? They have the power to contain these foul, infinitely offensive and abusive, dysfunctional miscreants but little seems to be done. Why? Who are these judges? Why do they not administer what the general public see as fair sentences?

You said a mouthful there bro......soft judges dishing lame sentences.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

RIP little one free from pain and more suffering. May the angles take care of you now.



This just broke my heart last night when this came out in the news. If this had been my child it would be the death sentence because i would rather go to jail than let those bastards breath another breath. But as it was not i have always thought that need to be stuck on one of the islands where they can fiddle and beat each other up for the rest of there natural with no justice for them when it happens to them.

I was sent an email the other day and these bastards got of murder and and got manslaughter fu-ken beats me and then where only given eight years and will be out in 4. These pictures are desterbing they are x rate

It is clear that our children are being let down by the legal system,
this is once again highlighted by the ridiculous sentences handed down
by
the High Court jury who found 32-year-old Maine Ngati and her partner
Teusila Faasisla not guilty of murder, but guilty of manslaughter, after
the child was beaten to death. Each was sentenced to eight-and-a-half
years in jail for the manslaughter and will be up for parole in four
years. These monsters beat this defenceless 3 year old boy for days with
an aluminium baseball bat and oar. His entire body was covered in
bruises
and his blood was found in every inch of the house.

[oldrider]

Let's say a stranger beats your kid up, chucks them in a drier and they die? Then what? You have ultimate control over the offender.....What's your sentence?

Ultimately, the most powerful is still, forgiveness, love and example!

Just to reinforce that to the rest of the community, I would kill and burn the offender!

Then I would practice, forgiveness, love and example, with those that remain!

Problem sorted, example illustrated, move right along!

If you get a new problem, eliminate the perpetrator!

(In gardening it's called weeding!)

Resort back to, forgiveness, love and example! John.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Ngatikaura Ngati was removed from a loving home and sent to live with
abusive birth parents.
Each night Ngatikaura Ngati would climb into bed and tell
his adoptive mum Kura and dad Finau that he loved them before clasping
his little hands together in prayer.He'd then fall asleep in a bedroom
full of family photos and toys, with pictures of Winnie the Pooh and
Piglet keeping watch over him from the door.During the day the
3-year-old would play his ukulele, sing on his karaoke machine or enjoy
trips to the beach or zoo with Kura and Finau who had cared for him
since he was one month old.He was a happy child. A child who was
clearly
loved.But three weeks after his third birthday everything changed in
Ngati's life.His birth mother Maine Ngati decided she wanted him back
from her cousin Kura so Ngati was plucked from the only home he'd ever
known.The South Auckland toddler was thrown into a completely
unfamiliar
environment. A new home in Otara where there were four other children,
including a newborn baby. A home where there was a mattress on the
floor
but no blankets, and no Winnie the Pooh on the door.Ngati's new family
spoke English. He had grown up speaking only Tongan so he struggled to
communicate with his siblings and parents.The toilet-trained toddler
suddenly started regularly wetting his pants and developed a weeping
ulcer the size of a man's hand on his bottom. His birth mother sought no
medical treatment, instead covering it with a sanitary pad.Ngati was
quickly transformed from a happy and confident boy to a terrified child
who would mess his pants then try to throw the evidence out of the
window to avoid the beating that would always follow.Three short months
after he moved in with his birth mother he was dead.Pathologists have
argued in court over the exact cause of his death, but there was no
dispute he was covered in injuries.Graphic photographs taken during
Ngati's post-mortem showed a body that had suffered from repeated
beatings. He had so many bruises that the officer investigating his
death stopped counting after 50.This week, Ngati's birth mother Maine
Ngati and stepfather Teusila Fa'asisila were found guilty of inflicting
those injuries. Guilty of Ngati's manslaughter.A jury at the High Court
in Auckland heard how Maine, 32, would punch Ngati in the face, strike
him with a stick and whack him around the head when he was naughty.
His 27-year-old stepfather beat him with whatever weapon was lying
nearby.Being naughty wasn't hard. Sometimes it was messing his pants.
Other times Ngati did not move fast enough or play a game the right way.
Once he didn't say "yes Mum". Another time he didn't jump like a frog.On
January 30 last year, the first of what would be the last series of
beatings in Ngati's short life occurred at 10am after he did a "kaka"
(faeces) in his pants.Maine later told police she was so angry she
picked up a stick and beat Ngati all over his body - except his head.
There she used her hand.After the beating Maine put her son in the
bath.Police say it would have been obvious at this point that Ngati was
injured and in pain. His left arm was so badly damaged that it had
swollen to twice its normal size. But instead of seeking help for her
son, Maine put him to bed.Later in the day, Ngati awoke on his mattress
on the floor needing to go to the toilet. He tried to get up but was
unable to due to his injuries, in particular his arm which had no
strength.Unable to hold on Ngati wet his pants - triggering yet another
beating from his mother when she found him.By that night, when his
stepfather showered him, police say it would have been impossible not to
have seen all of Ngati's injuries."He was beaten black and blue all over,"
said investigating officer Detective Senior Sergeant Richard
Middleton."This is as bad as anything I have seen on a child or any
human. The only thing that was keeping him alive [at that stage] was his
young heart."But Ngati's young heart could only take so much and the
following morning he received his final beatings - one from his mother
and later one from his stepfather.Fa'asisila told police that Ngati had
"kaka'ed" himself that morning.To discipline him he picked up a stick,
made the boy stand with his hands on the wall and lift up his feet. He
then he beat the soles of his feet.Police didn't believe this version of
events, saying Ngati's soles were the only part of his body that weren't
bruised.They, and the jury, believed the account other children gave
them - the one in which Fa'asisila picked up a baseball bat and beat him
with it all over his body, except his head.Physical evidence also
supported this view. When police searched the Otara home they found a
bat tucked out of site. It was covered in Ngati's blood. The child's
blood was also found throughout the house.In two rooms - the living area
and Ngati's bedroom - the blood had splattered so high it hit the ceiling.
That was impact splatter, splatter caused by an object hitting Ngati
while he was already bleeding.On the floors and walls the blood had been
diluted - a sign police say that the parents had tried to wash the evidence
away.The baseball bat beating occurred in the morning while Maine was
out at a job interview.During the afternoon, after Maine had returned,
Ngati's condition deteriorated to the point that he was drifting in and out of consciousness. At times he stopped breathing.At one point, while Maine performed CPR,
Fa'asisila suggested calling for an ambulance, but she said no because
"then they will find out".At 5pm Fa'asisila went to get his uncle who
lived nearby. The uncle arrived and told the couple to call an ambulance
immediately.On the phone, Maine told the St John operator she had beaten
Ngati with a stick but showed more concern for herself than her dying
son."She said, 'are you going to call the police?'," said Mr Middleton.
"Even at that stage she was still more worried about what was going to
happen to her than what happened to Ngati."Ngati was rushed to
Middlemore Hospital, then transferred to Starship where his adoptive
mother Kura Kaufusi stayed with him till he died. .