Sit down, and shut up NZ

[avgas]

shut the hell up and accept it, and this looked like an in-road to this very style of government.

So when do i spray the bike matt black, take off the plate and setup a jammer on it? Do we have a time frame for these things?

[Mr Merde]

When you look at it objectively, democracy is a hinderance to what some countries consider "effective government". The idea of democracy is good, but the execution of it is frought with potholes large enough to fit Texas into.

.....

Democracy is good?

In the words of Thomas Jefferson

Democracy is 51% of the voting populace telling 49% what to do,

or something like that.

Even in ancient Athens, the so called birthplace of democracy, it was very selective. You had to be male, and born to a citizen of that city state. Once you ruled out the slave population about 80% of the population, then the women and those considered too young. Athens was ruled by a minority of about 5 % of the people who lived there.

Nothing has changed has it? We are still being ordered around by a very small minority of our population.

We are no longer called slaves as that is wrong and not PC, but very few of us a masters of our own existance.

Personally I am a slave to my employer. I rely on my monthly paycheck so much that it impacts upon the rest of my life.

The government tells me what to do, where I can do it, how often. Now with this bill they are trying to regulate what I can say or even think.

For this I have to pay them 38 % of my earnings plus 10% of the price of everything I purchase.

All that has happened over the centuries is a name change. Slavery has become Democracy.

Enough, I rant too easily.


Mr

[SPman]

We need a full blown revolution in the country, Its a pity the US aren't here trying to take us over.

In ways such as this, perhaps they already are..............

[SPman]

You know, Australia's looking better each week.

At least the State governments sometimes have the balls to tell Howard and his cronies to get fucked, but, otherwise, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting it to be any better.

...although...it all depends on your point of view.........

[Mr Merde]

From Wikipaedia.

Is this the government we have now?


Oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχία, Oligarkhía) is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small, elite segment of society (whether distinguished by wealth, family or military powers). The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγον óligon) and "rule" (ἄρχω arkho


The iron law of oligarchy is a political theory, first developed by the German syndicalist sociologist Robert Michels in his 1911 book, Political Parties. It states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic or autocratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop into oligarchies. The reasons for this are the technical indispensability of leadership, the tendency of the leaders to organize themselves and to consolidate their interests; the gratitude of the led towards the leaders, and the general immobility and passivity of the masses.

[MSTRS:Me]

Democracy ....

And now you, MrMerde, have taken away our precious illusions. At least while it's not election year, I can tell you/the world that your manifesto is crap

[Mr Merde]

.... I can tell you/the world that your manifesto is crap

Didnt know I had one. Glad to be corrected and am doubly glad that it is up to my rigorous standards

Thanks MSTRS

[Tortron]

first against the wall aye comrade

[avgas]

Shhhhh the red star are comming

[riffer]

Could someone please explain how Unions are exempt from this legislation, given the huge amount of Union-sponsored "You're better off under Labour" posters last election?

Other than that the law is not equally applied?

[Mr Merde]

Could someone please explain how Unions are exempt from this legislation, given the huge amount of Union-sponsored "You're better off under Labour" posters last election?

Other than that the law is not equally applied?

Given that the Labour Party traditionally emerged from the unions and their struggle for workers rights, and that the sponsors of this bill is The Labour Party, I would have thought that the reasoning is self evident.

They are as bent as a butchers hook and will do anything to keep in power.

[peasea]

They are as bent as a butchers hook and will do anything to keep in power.

Can't help but agree.

Democracy? Justice? Health?
All you need is money and you can have all three.

[SPman]

Given that the Labour Party traditionally emerged from the unions and their struggle for workers rights, and that the sponsors of this bill is The Labour Party, I would have thought that the reasoning is self evident.

They are as bent as a butchers hook and will do anything to keep in power.

So - whats new.

Give National 3 terms (god help us) and there would, nay, has been, no difference - just increasing gross arrogance from the elected representatives

It's just that all Western governments have been getting ideas lately from the USA, which is rapidly descending into the morass of a repressive dictatorship in fact, if not in name ..... keep the masses conned by prattling on about false "terrorists coming to get you", and you can slam them with anything......

Its one of the reasons I've gone bush.......

[jrandom]

I've skimmed the Bill in question. No time to read it properly right now, but I do find it somewhat disturbing. I don't like the idea behind it.

I'll read it in depth later, and probably write a submission.

To be frank, whilst the Exclusive Brethren are a creepy bunch of shitheads, I still think they should be able to print and distribute whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want.

And so should I.

[Swoop]

I thought that after the vandalism on "the bitches" electoral office, (which received a charge of sedition), free speech was well and truly buried.