What do we think of ACC fining Affco millions for shooting

[kave]

As I understand it. Affco applied to be an ACC exempt employer, that means that they dont pay ACC levies, and instead are responsible for providing the same cover as would be provided by ACC. They believed it would be cheaper for them, and a good incentive to try to reduce injury rates. In this case, if Affco was paying ACC levies, the shot man would have received a shitload of money from ACC, and Affco are legally required to provide their employees the same cover as they would have got under ACC (a legal requirement for ACC exempt employers). Basically Affco thought it would be cheaper to be exempt, but this one incident may have made that not the case. They really have no right to whinge, they gambled and it didnt pay off.

[inlinefour]

Ya fuckin what?
he should have been working. If he'd been doing what he was being paid for he wouldn'a been shot FFS.

Show me to the gene pool please.

Everyone have a read please, before you get all worked up over something that looks to me like a storm in a teacup.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00260.htm

I guess the weather over NZ was not as nice as it was here today? Not eough riding and the need to gripe over something? This is very old news, but I guess some are just going off what they saw on telly? I saw this thread and did some reading, before I posted on this thread. I was surprised with what I read, but not with the reaction from some on this thread...

[Ocean1]

I'm finding it difficult to understand that anyone could consider AFFCO guilty of anything whatsoever with regards to the incident in question.

If ACC policy indicates otherwise it's simply another example of a cherry picking tax. We'll just tax those who can afford it, regardless of fairness or fact.

[peasea]

Everyone have a read please, before you get all worked up over something that looks to me like a storm in a teacup.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00260.htm

I guess the weather over NZ was not as nice as it was here today? Not eough riding and the need to gripe over something? This is very old news, but I guess some are just going off what they saw on telly? I saw this thread and did some reading, before I posted on this thread. I was surprised with what I read, but not with the reaction from some on this thread...

Right, I didn't know it was during a meal break.
Perhaps they should give gang members more meal breaks.

[inlinefour]

Right, I didn't know it was during a meal break.
Perhaps they should give gang members more meal breaks.

Maybe you don't know what your on about. Its allready been suggested in my first post and confirmed what I thought on the first post on the 2nd page of this thread. Affco provided its own employment cover and does not pay ACC any levies what so ever. In simple, once the worker is off site, ACC cover non-work related injuries, but at work ACC does not. This is a pretty simple matter to me and how he worker got injured is not the actual issue, even though many want it to be.
The only reason I brought it up is because my employer does the same thing and the only reason why I do have ACC cover, is because it happened in my own time and not at work.

[peasea]

Everyone have a read please, before you get all worked up over something that looks to me like a storm in a teacup.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0709/S00260.htm

I guess the weather over NZ was not as nice as it was here today? Not eough riding and the need to gripe over something? This is very old news, but I guess some are just going off what they saw on telly? I saw this thread and did some reading, before I posted on this thread. I was surprised with what I read, but not with the reaction from some on this thread...

Yes, need to ride. You got ESP or what?

[inlinefour]

Yes, need to ride. You got ESP or what?

This is getting boring and I guess there is no educating some? I'll let you carry on without me, have fun.

[Brian d marge]

Well that article sums it up , AND what will happen .... ACC was, and could be again a wonderful system , When I was mucking around in NZ , I heard that all it would take was a 1 cent tax increase , mind u that was 8 years ago ! . To return ACC to what it was in the beginning ,,, I was a recipient of its benefit .. ( you think insurance is good ACC was brilliant

But , the great unwashed of NZ ... DID JACK SH!T in the 80s , ( got a bit pissed over the rugby ) but did NOTHING over the real issues ,,, oh a few looneys got off there arses, and a few soon to become unemployed government workers ... did as well ...

So at the end of the day the NZ you have now is the result of , well apathy ( do I sound disgruntled ,,,too right , cause I remember a cracking little country that was an easy pleasant place to live , )

This Afco thing is the tip of the iceberg , work with chickens anyone , contracted champhlerbackter ? ( sp) ,,,ACC tried to say it wasn't a disease

Using a blunt Knife on the processing chain and you arm doesn't work anymore ,,, well that wasn't an Injury once upon a time ( have to check that ,,, but not let it stand in the way of a good Rant !!!!!!)

There are people out there, good simple hardworking folk , who DONT KNOW , all of this ...and TRUST ,

Then when sh hits the fan , they think along the lines , I have worked here for 40 years , I ll be ok ...

Nope . The mighty dollar wins , you lose

As for the Meat workers Union ... well , they are all right , older NZ males driving nice new Holdens , love a bit of rugby ... happy , Where were they , pointing out the pit falls of the new Acc regime .... No where

Dont get me wrong there are some sterling people doing good work ( and from the most unlikely backgrounds to !!!!)


Where do you start ... I ll tell you ..walk 100 m ( or more if you are in Canterbury and the guy gets fantastic travel money , so he will come to you !!!) walk to the nearest MP office and wright down a list of complaints

Better still write a letter to your MP ...its Freepost as in FREE ... takes as much time as it does to complain on KB ... ( and before any one starts I'm comfortable with what I did ,,but I am not banging my head on a brick wall for ever ,,, )

AFCO ... user pays ... So pay up .

Stephen

PS I might have had a toke or to before luch as well ,,,some of those canteen lunches......

[Toaster]

This is probably just another case of the media making another storm in a teacup, without providing all the facts, yet again...

My biggest thing with ACC is that they do not cover those with medical problems. There was a few in Burwood Spinal Unit that was paralysed due to a medical probem and they recieved nothing from ACC. I would hate to be on the wrong side of that line in the sand. Thats something that makes me appreciate the ACC system, in my situation.

I went to a conference in Norway a while back - ACC was the envy of the rest of the world.... all they have is private insurance for everything, so you get huge premiums, lawsuits etc etc. The no fault injury scheme is very generous and people should remember to be thankful we have it.

Yes, the media always report things to their advantage and sensationalise things - truth, who needs that when it doesn't sell papers or airtime?!

Some people are stupid for believing everything they read or hear without knowing the full facts - which rarely ever come out when there is an axe to grind.

[sAsLEX]

My biggest thing with ACC is that they do not cover those with medical problems. There was a few in Burwood Spinal Unit that was paralysed due to a medical probem and they recieved nothing from ACC. I would hate to be on the wrong side of that line in the sand. Thats something that makes me appreciate the ACC system, in my situation.

Accident Care and Compensation aint it? Explains it really.


Those people you discuss should be covered under our Public Health system we pay soo much tax for.....

[Albino]

Jeez if you fullas know so much about how it all should work then why don't you go and work for ACC.

Ooops, wrong thread.

[MSTRS:Me]

Accident Care and Compensation aint it? Explains it really.


Those people you discuss should be covered under our Public Health system we pay soo much tax for.....

Accident Compensation Commission.
Semantics say that the Affco case was no accident...

[Lias]

Personally, I say let the guy pay his own medical expenses.

He was in a gang car, consuming illegal drugs. He shouldnt get a cent of taxpayers OR his employers money.

[avgas]

I just wish the bullet killed him.
Then the car blew up and destroyed all three of them.
Not exactly going to be missed

[inlinefour]

Jeez if you fullas know so much about how it all should work then why don't you go and work for ACC.

Ooops, wrong thread.

As part of my assessment for going back to work, being a case manager for ACC has been identified as one of my possible options. However, if I did go there I'm not sure that I'd be too popular, as I work on common sense (usually), something perhaps ACC could do with a bit more at times...