Police shoot and kill another person

[imdying]

Thats fairly easy to find out though. I imagine the weapons are signed out, or a in the cars with a full mag. How many rounds less does the mag now have = number of shots fired.

I don't think the witnesses will be allowed to touch the gun though It's not the number of bullets in question, it's the reliability of the witnesses.... amazing how everyone saw something different.

[Delerium]

I was referring to the police investigation. I don't know if they will release this information to the public though

[Dilligaf]

The cops should not have guns or even tasers. Come on, these guys are dealing with mature adults. You can't beat violence with violence. there are ways the cops can deal with this; first they need to talk to the person and make them understand why what they are doing is wrong. if the person still doesnt listen they then need some time alone to reflect on their behaviour (eg in the police car or cell). violence is unnaceptable in our society, even as a form of discipline. Guns and tasers is lazy policing.

And a hug. Don't forget everyone needs a

[davereid]

I think you'll find the majority of people here think the cop did the right thing in shooting the meathead. I just hate the double standard that says if Joe Public defends himself he'll do prison time but a cop will go through PCA, have counseling and professional help to get over it.

We will have to watch this one develop. As U4EA commented, the witness with his hair in eyes appeared rational and had no agenda, so his witness statement that the guy was running at the cop with the hammer raised is (at least at this early stage) the most likely.

So, of course the cop had every right to shoot.

Goblin makes the point that there is clearly a double standard, and cops get away with more than Joe Public, and I think she is right.

But..

Cops are carefully selected, professionally trained, have the correct tools, backup, and are always aware that the situation they are going into might be dangerous.

Joe Public on the other hand is untrained, and generally is selected at random, by a criminal, often when he or she is asleep in bed, or minding their own business on the bus.

So if there is to be a double standard, we should be expecting the Police to manage these situations better than average Joe.

For my money, all kiwis should be absolutely protected by the law when they use force in self defence. And if its a little grey, the benefit of the doubt should go to Joe Public, not the criminal.

That is to say Joe Public should not be expected to react as prudently as a policeman.

The propensity of the police heirachy to absolutely prosecute any citizen who dares defend himself may have hardened public attitudes for police who do the same.

[peasea]

Cops are paid to be in dangerous situations to take care of the rest of us who lack the wherewithall to deal with deranged and determined drongoes. I don't think that they're paid enough. And I agree with the Constable quoted in this morning's papers that they're definitely not paid enough to warrant going home in a box.

Not paid enough? Pay them any more and they'll be running out and buying up Harley Havidsons and V8's for gawd's sake. Then what? Total anarchy...

[peasea]

We will have to watch this one develop. As U4EA commented, the witness with his hair in eyes appeared rational and had no agenda, so his witness statement that the guy was running at the cop with the hammer raised is (at least at this early stage) the most likely.

So, of course the cop had every right to shoot.

Goblin makes the point that there is clearly a double standard, and cops get away with more than Joe Public, and I think she is right.

But..

Cops are carefully selected, professionally trained, have the correct tools, backup, and are always aware that the situation they are going into might be dangerous.

Joe Public on the other hand is untrained, and generally is selected at random, by a criminal, often when he or she is asleep in bed, or minding their own business on the bus.

So if there is to be a double standard, we should be expecting the Police to manage these situations better than average Joe.

For my money, all kiwis should be absolutely protected by the law when they use force in self defence. And if its a little grey, the benefit of the doubt should go to Joe Public, not the criminal.

That is to say Joe Public should not be expected to react as prudently as a policeman.

The propensity of the police heirachy to absolutely prosecute any citizen who dares defend himself may have hardened public attitudes for police who do the same.

You appear to be a sane, rational person. What are you doing on kb?

[pritch]

Not paid enough? Pay them any more and they'll be running out and buying up Harley Havidsons and V8's for gawd's sake.

What? Like Scumdog?

God it's happening already...

[TLMAN]

The cops should not have guns or even tasers. Come on, these guys are dealing with mature adults. You can't beat violence with violence. there are ways the cops can deal with this; first they need to talk to the person and make them understand why what they are doing is wrong. if the person still doesnt listen they then need some time alone to reflect on their behaviour (eg in the police car or cell). violence is unnaceptable in our society, even as a form of discipline. Guns and tasers is lazy policing.

OH MY GOD WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO YOU COME FROM!!

[peasea]

What? Like Scumdog?

God it's happening already...

Head for the hills!!!
Oh crap, that's where he lives isn't it?

[peasea]

OH MY GOD WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO YOU COME FROM!!

Yeah, reckon. They do need something to defend themselves these days, it's not like days of old when Mr Plod could donk Noddy on the head with a wee baton, those P'd up nutters have guns and knives more often than not. Reason goes out the window pretty quickly on that shite.

[Swoop]

So thats another moment the cop has to spend taking that off.

Have a look at the glock. No manual safety fitted, but look at the little lever sticking out from the trigger. That's it.

I think you'll find the majority of people here think the cop did the right thing in shooting the meathead.

I was referring to the police investigation. I don't know if they will release this information to the public though

Possibly just counting the spent casings on the road might work...

Cops are carefully selected, professionally trained, have the correct tools, backup...

Have you been watching too many Merkin' cop shows again?
How long did it take for our to get their fancy vests???

[Delerium]

Have a look at the glock. No manual safety fitted, but look at the little lever sticking out from the trigger. That's it.



Possibly just counting the spent casings on the road might work...

Have you been watching too many Merkin' cop shows again?
How long did it take for our to get their fancy vests???

Yes there is that, Didnt even think of it.

[doc]

What about "tea and biscuits". Perhaps a bath would do the trick as well. My Grandmother always used to say that a nice hot bath would take away all your troubles.

A lavender bath if they were really really upset.

[Edbear]

Can't really imagine a Policeman shooting a guy who was simply standing still without a weapon and his hands down at his sides.

The coppers know what they're going to go through if they shoot anyone whether fatally or not, so I tend to think the witness who said he was running at the cop with the hammer over his head and that after he was shot and let go of the hammer it skidded along the road, was probably right.

Of course I wasn't there... So I could be totally mistaken...

[roogazza]

I was going to say I was in the job for a very long time , and , and, but I won't !! Gaz.