WSBK Parity issues?

[Slingshot]

Someone really needs to tell my bike that then 'cause I've got a Dyno sheet reading 153.

Where's me 27hp ya wankers?!

Somewhere between the crank and the rear wheel me thinks.

[Robert Taylor]

Someone really needs to tell my bike that then 'cause I've got a Dyno sheet reading 153. Where's me 27hp ya wankers?!

Left behind on the pamphlet Jimmy! Bear in mind that it is measured at the crank, not at the rear wheel after transmission losses. Also, most commercial dynos read in SAE BHP, larger units, smaller overall number. Hirohitos armies measure in DIN BHP, smaller units, larger overall number. And I suspect another ''adjustment factor'' called PHP, ''PAMPHLET HORSEPOWER'' Good for pub bragging rights, similiar to cavemen comparing the size of their family jewels. So what anyway, its the lap times that count and we know where most of the work goes into achieving that.

Next time you get a dyno run have the air intake temperature probe placed behind the hot radiator, that will give you very impressive numbers, the giveaway being a huge correction factor on the dyno sheet. Also every dyno is different so they are a comparator, full stop.

Reference WSBK check out what nationality the main power brokers are, therein perhaps lies the answer.

[White trash]

Left behind on the pamphlet Jimmy! Bear in mind that it is measured at the crank, not at the rear wheel after transmission losses. Also, most commercial dynos read in SAE BHP, larger units, smaller overall number. Hirohitos armies measure in DIN BHP, smaller units, larger overall number. And I suspect another ''adjustment factor'' called PHP, ''PAMPHLET HORSEPOWER'' Good for pub bragging rights, similiar to cavemen comparing the size of their family jewels. So what anyway, its the lap times that count and we know where most of the work goes into achieving that.

Next time you get a dyno run have the air intake temperature probe placed behind the hot radiator, that will give you very impressive numbers, the giveaway being a huge correction factor on the dyno sheet. Also every dyno is different so they are a comparator, full stop.

Reference WSBK check out what nationality the main power brokers are, therein perhaps lies the answer.

Ahh, I'm well aware who the "Powers that be" are mate. I'm just interested to know who actually thinks this will make the series better. Surely they realise that the less people are interested because they think the rules are joke, the less people will watch said series. Also, PM sent.

[Matt Bleck]

Why don't Ducati just drop the V-twin? If it can not compete on a even keel with the in-line fours then THEY should change!

[merv]

Why don't Ducati just drop the V-twin? If it can not compete on a even keel with the in-line fours then THEY should change!

Yep and they have a pretty good model in their road going version now of the Desmosedici. Go the V4's.

[riffer]

Why don't Ducati just drop the V-twin? If it can not compete on a even keel with the in-line fours then THEY should change!

So if someone brings out a 500cc V8 that trumps everyone you'll be cool about it? (dammit, someone should).

Like it or not, the name Ducati has become synonymous with V-twins.

[merv]

Like it or not, the name Ducati has become synonymous with V-twins.

Now that Stoner is the MotoGP champ they may change their strategy a bit I wonder?

[Matt Bleck]

So if someone brings out a 500cc V8 that trumps everyone you'll be cool about it? (dammit, someone should).

Like it or not, the name Ducati has become synonymous with V-twins.

yeah if the rules allow, thats the thing that bug's me... ducati cry about it not being fair so get the rules changed to accomidate them. Maybe they should move on and evolve around the sport, instead of being synonymous with V-twins.

remeber when it was 750 IL4's against 1000 cc twins? What happened there?

[White trash]

Yeah, I don't know if winning GP championships will really sell any manufacturer more bikes now. It is obviously handy for trying new tricks though, look at the cool 600s that are out just a couple of years into MotoGP

[merv]

I'm just wondering if we may see more 4's from Ducati.

[Cleve]

Last time the Japanese manufacturers felt that Ducati had an unfair advantage they picked up their toys and left and the result was a diminished series with dropping TV audiences and therefore dropping revenue. The current rules with pretty much full Japanese factory support is now a popular (read profitable) series. Regardless of nationality the SBK rights holders are BUSINESSMEN and one would hope/assume that they will do their best to make the 1200 twin vs 1000 IL4 as even as possible.
Note that as a result of the 1200 twin rule, KTM, BMW, etc are also possibly entering new bikes.
As an optimist I hope that this all goes from better to "more better" and yummier potential road bikes out there for us to taste in the near future...

[Paulus]

The problem I see is that if you give them the extra 200cc capacity to make the same hp as the fours then they will have the same speed as the fours on the long fast straights but will retain their superior drive out of the slow corners making them once again unbeatable (just like when they were racing 750 cc fours). Well all lose interest (except the Ducati fans) and it'll be back to the World Super Ducati series again.

My opinion is it should be 1000cc production racing. If Ducati believe the best format for a 1000cc sportsbike is a V-twin then so be it. Likewise with a V16 (but they have to build a minimum of 500 of them).

[White trash]

I'm just wondering if we may see more 4's from Ducati.

Well, you've definitely gotta hand it to the spaghetti slurpers, they're no fools.

MotoGP rules state that your engine must be prototype, no production basis. As soon as Dorna sez they're changing the rules, the 990s are too quick, Ducati bosses go "Mama Mia! Wehave spent too many liras developing this machine which is now useless, how can we recupe?" Simple. You turn it into a road bike. Every man and his dog lusts after the only road going MotoGP bike on the market and a few are actually in a position to pay such a rediculous price.

Very switched on, the wogs.

[White trash]

Last time the Japanese manufacturers felt that Ducati had an unfair advantage they picked up their toys and left and the result was a diminished series with dropping TV audiences and therefore dropping revenue.

Not 100 percent sure here Cleve I was under the impression the reason the Japanese threw their toys from the pram was the control tyre rule, not the advantage Ducati were enjoying. Or am I not looking back far enough?

[Cleve]

Not 100 percent sure here Cleve I was under the impression the reason the Japanese threw their toys from the pram was the control tyre rule, not the advantage Ducati were enjoying. Or am I not looking back far enough?

Not sure... thought I was... I believe though that it wasn't until the rules for 1000cc IL4's were changed to allow them to have more power (air restrictors?) that they came back.