Peow! Peow! Woof Woof!

[Skyryder]

Well there was a top cop saying that he supported the actions of the officer. Not too sure if he meant the shooting or the missing.


I bet they don't name this guy.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Was the dog on party pills?

No but they do have claws.................bit like a hammer realy.


Skyryder

[Coldrider]

The dog had an owner, a hammer, an axe, several firearms including a military machine gun style weapon capable of a few shoots per second.
In fact this dog is so smart he is allowed to live with the woman who was hostage. This dog could replace Rickards.

[Coldrider]

Did the Auckland AOS have a Toy Run late Wed afternoon ?

[Mr Merde]

.....
The man with the Bushmaster should have had a whack if it was necessary - even if he missed the bullet from one of them does not ricochet like a 9mm.

A 5.56mm (.223) round ricochets as much as a 9mm when striking a suitable object.

A 5.56 mm round travels at 3000fps a 9mm at about 1300fps.

Both will penetrate the walls of the standard NZ weatherboard house but the 5.56 will have more energy remaining once having done so.

When the M16 was first issued there were major problems with the 5.56 ammo. They spun and ricocheted.

The best firearm in this situation would have been a 12guage shotgun with #6 or 7 shot. It would have killed the dog and given that a shotgun doesnt throw its pellets as far as a rifle or pistol and looses its energy sooner, there would have been less danger to the public.

Also the officer doesnt need to be as well trained with a shotgunas he should be with a pistol or rifle.

How many hours training does the average police officer have before being allowed to carry a firearm?

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

the average competitive pistol shooter will expend thousands of rounds in a year in competition alone, double or triple that if you include training.

Those persons in the armed forces that use a pistol (ie SAS) train for hundredes of hours to achieve a standard of marksmanship that is accepted.

This officer should be hauled over the rack for reckless endangerment. He could have easily put a round through someones home and killed an innocent. He should never be allowed to carry agian until he passes a much more stringent vetting.

Merde

[Coldrider]

Oh Mr Merde, you are another who is not going to get an invite to the secret policemens ball.

[idb]

Be fair Mr Merde!
The cops will only be trained to shoot at person-shaped targets, that's why they're so much more efficient at hitting them.

[peasea]

Oh Mr Merde, you are another who is not going to get an invite to the secret policemens ball.

Along with any other "useless pricks" who dare to question the actions of our 'finest'.

(Or should that read "trigger-happy cowboys"?)

[scumdog]

A 5.56mm (.223) round ricochets as much as a 9mm when striking a suitable object.

A 5.56 mm round travels at 3000fps a 9mm at about 1300fps.

Both will penetrate the walls of the standard NZ weatherboard house but the 5.56 will have more energy remaining once having done so.

When the M16 was first issued there were major problems with the 5.56 ammo. They spun and ricocheted.

Merde

But Police don't use hard-ball ammo.

And the stuff the DO use (from my experience) fragments without much provocation.

[scumdog]

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

the average competitive pistol shooter will expend thousands of rounds in a year in competition alone, double or triple that if you include training.

Merde

True.

But the non-knowing public and media (at times) bleat on about 'trained Police' like they are all marksmen, others waffle on about 'why not shoot him in the arm/leg/shoulder'.

The guy shooting at the dog should not have under the circumstances though.

[idb]

True.

But the non-knowing public and media (at times) bleat on about 'trained Police' like they are all marksmen, others waffle on about 'why not shoot him in the arm/leg/shoulder'.

The guy shooting at the dog should not have under the circumstances though.

If he'd shot the bloke that would have completely defused the situation.
The missiles would have stopped coming over the fence, the offensive language would have stopped and the dog would no longer be being wound up.
Taking away the cause of the problem is often easier and will often resolve the problem itself.

[peasea]

True.

But the non-knowing public and media (at times) bleat on about 'trained Police' like they are all marksmen, others waffle on about 'why not shoot him in the arm/leg/shoulder'.

The guy shooting at the dog should not have under the circumstances though.

Thank you. Now if we can just get his boss to see the light but I doubt that will happen.

[pritch]

That move with the rock is a bit interesting in view of what we saw on TV a week or two back. It appeared that the cop with the stun grenade forgot the bit where he was actually supposed to throw it...

[Coldrider]

Approx 12 shots is not alot if a dog has four legs and a shoulder to aim at.

[Swoop]

How many hours training does the average police officer have before being allowed to carry a firearm?

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

This officer should be hauled over the rack for reckless endangerment. He could have easily put a round through someones home and killed an innocent. He should never be allowed to carry agian until he passes a much more stringent vetting.

Agreed Mr Merde.
The police have a very brief initial training period and they are deemed "competent". Some have never had any involvement in firearms previous to this.

Interesting that they require a driving licence to operate a police vehicle, yet they do not require a firearms licence...

A member of the public will gain a licence to own a firearm and then continue to learn and use the firearm/s. This is because they have an interest.
A couple of days a year is enough to "blow a bit of the rust out" refreshing some of the skills. This is not a real advancement of the individual shooters' skills.