Originally Posted by SimJen
you gotta love Labour though, on one hand they're promoting "Buy NZ Made" on the other we side with a Communist power and our Free Trade agreement with China.
idolidleidyll: Something the BRT and National applaud and will expand of course. Fascists LIKE dealing with corrupt governments.
Whatever, so its alright then!
Nope, it's a pile of shit but you decided to slam Labour without noting that National is likely to be even closer because that's where the money is.
Why do we have free trade with a country that has massive human rights abuse????
Yes, why DO we trade with the USA?
Questionable but I see your point
Nope, not questionable at all. The USA has supported fascists and dictators and overthrown democracies in order to steal their resources and economies. In doing so it is responsible for the deaths of many millions of people. This website offers quite specific examples of Amerikan Terrorism: http://www.intellnet.org/resources/a...yofTerror.html
Why are we still promoting NZ Made when fuck all is these days, and Labours crap tax system is pushing our businesses off shore loosing jobs and shutting down small towns!
It's a start at least. Under National we'll be sold down the river to the country most willing to make our politicians richer.
Interesting!!!! but Labour started it
Yes, the most recent abuse started with Roger Douglas who was a traitor as far as many Labour supporters are concerned. He showed his true colours when he went on to start the extreme right wing ACT party. Douglas was always right wing and should never have been allowed to reach such a position in a left wing party. HOWEVER: the fact is that National extended his policies and will extend them even further driving down real income in return for extra wealth for the already wealthy. Looking at TODAY's parties, both National and Labour have a lot to answer for but National is worse and frankly, I don't intend to vote for either of them. The worst thing that could happen is for either of them to gain an absolute majority. Talk about riding roughshod over the people of NZ!
Why does Labour not punish some dork for smacking someone else!
Labour is not a court. Why does National want to kill foreigners?
National doesn't want to kill foreigners, how can Labour dictate any form of Law and Order system when they won't follow any laws themselves.
They can't even make the cops go and arrest some maoris blocking access to the odd road (too scared to attract the "Racist" remarks).
National has long supported Amerika's wars of greed and has stated on many occasions that it would send NZ troops to kill and die for Amerikan imperilaism.
Why does Labour only now pull out the Tax Cuts when previously they had adamantly stated they wouldn't be happening! (VOTES).
Actually they ALWAYS said there would be tax cuts, they just delayed them. The really funny thing is that National and it's supporters complain that Labour's offer of tax cuts is a bribe but Nationals offer of tax cuts isn't. Go figure; cognitive dissonance anyone? National thinks were all sucker and it seems they are partly right.
So they've been stealing all our money for the last 8 years or so!!!! Thats nice, I'd love to see some of it back!!!
Stealing your money? Spare me the hysterics please. National will give with one hand and take with the other. User pays benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor. Social services are a defence against capitalist greed and must be supported from the tax take. Nationals policies will mean less services, bankrupt social policy, increasing crime due to poverty and increases in imprisonment in a nation that already has one of the highest rates in the developed wold. That imprisonment will be mainly of the poor and less empowered, wealthy capitalists will be protected.
User pays in the USA has resulted in 40 million people without adequate health care. It means that insurance costs skyrocket and if you can afford insurance for health, property etc, you'll pay up to $1500 per month for the privilege.
Why does Helen make trips to Waiheke Island?
Who gives a fuck?
I do, why live a LIE
Why judge a person on their personal life instead of the quality of the work they do? Do you really want more Yank style politics here?
Why does Labour do half of the ridiculous shit and get away with it!!!!!!
Because that's what ALL politicians do and National is worse. Watch them shift wealth up the chain and let lower income earners suffer.
Lower income earners earn less for a reason!!!! Its called School and if they had listened to their parents etc they wouldn't be in the position they are! We can't be accountable for other peoples fuckups!!! and why should others who did something useful with their lives have to pander to those that didn't. Under labour everyone is equal hmmmm. like communism!!!
Yawn, the old communism crap again. Please, do yourself a favour and read Marx and Adam Smith then come back and tell me exactly what is communist about Labour.
As for education, under National, apprenticeships basically died. Their idea is that education will be moved toward privatisation and LESS people will be able to access it. That's important of course; capitalism on the world stage depends on open markets that make low paid workers compete against other low paid workers in other countries in order to drive costs down. NZ is in a race to the bottom; under Labour that's slow but under National it will accelerate. National will sell us out to whatever corporations offer the wealthy the best deal.
Because we let the bitch thats why!!!!!
AHA! It's a testosterone thing I see. Why does a female leader upset you so?
A female leader makes no difference to me!!!!
If Labour had a male leader with the same values then I would have called him a bastard!
So why make it an issue?
Vote cleverly this election and change it!!!! and don't vote for a tiny party that won't swing the vote.
Yes, vote cleverly. Investigate the promises and actions of all parties. Don't buy into propaganda. Ask National what their policies actually are (they're keeping them secret for good reason). Think about the sellout of NZ that's gonna happen again under National. Think about a repeat of the odious Employment Contracts Act that drove real income down. Think about Kiwis dying overseas on behalf of foreign capitalism.
The sellout of NZ has already happened mate!
Yes, it started with Douglas, a right wing infiltrator who corrupted Labour and the left to form his extreme right wing party. It continued with National. It will increase under National or a National ACT alliance.
Labour have done it nicely.
They've fucked employers, fucked businesses to the point they have to move overseas.
Actually business income has increased by about 9% since Labour arrived. You should study the facts not listen to the spin. The move overseas is BECAUSE of free trade. BOTH major parties support that and National even more so. To compete under such an open trade system we must meet the same costs as Asian MANUFACTURERS BUT that would mean driving wages down to Asian levels. Labour has at least hedged that with wage protection in minimum wages but National would move to get rid of those or put a moratorium on increases to make it easier for business to compete with Asian factories by offering low wages.
They've fucked the everyday person just trying to get by, sucking too much tax off them for the last 8 years and screwing there education with societies general dumbing down.
And you think National will be better? ROTFLMFAO!!! National will increse the trend.
Labour have been lucky to have the weak USD support them for these past few years, it had to come to an end though.
International exchange rates are a crock of shit and all they do is allow powerful rich countries and corporations to manipulate the money markets in their favour.
And your just fucked off that they will lose the next election!
Am I? I won't vote Labour and haven't for a very long time.
Bleat on as much as you like, get all the anti capitalism quotes you need.
Whether its a National led government or what I don't care, just as long as Labour is out in the gutter where they belong!
So instead of voting FOR a party with good policy, you're voting AGAINST a party because you don't remeber or were too young to know just how bad the other was: figures.
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