Out of the Blue (Aramoana Massacre movie)

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 12th November 2007, 17:14

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Why didn't they evacuate the town with an APC or similar - even a bus kitted out A team style with steel sheets over the windows and a loud hailer.

You are kidding right... You been watching to much tv

**SPman** · 12th November 2007, 18:38

I think the documentary that TV did, a year or so after the event, was more chilling than any film could ever be. Brilliantly done, with the original sound, newsreel footage,police recordings, interviews with the survivors and no "scene" music.

It's all right to mouth off in retrospect about what should or should not have been done, but in the situation that was there, I think the police did as well as could be expected.

Life is not an american TV cop show!

**scumdog** · 12th November 2007, 18:58

Originally Posted by peasea

I loved the bit when the pig got shot, that was great.

Sheesh, I wonder if the publishers of the publications you submit articles for visit this site??????

**SVboy** · 12th November 2007, 20:42

I was living in Central when this happened, and some of my colleagues lost friends there. I think the actual shooting of Gray was televised on the news? The film is very true to my [fuzzy] recollections. I think it was a time that shocked NZ out of a state of innocence and naivity and seemed to compound the impact of rogernomics at the time. A great, sad movie imho.

**ynot slow** · 12th November 2007, 21:08

Saw the start and up to the point where one cop (I think)had a chance to kill,but hessitated,bit different now,then he may have been told why didn't you shoot?,today if he had shot a guy they ask why did you?

Agree it was at the time if you have a firearm it is registered to you,now only the person is registered,authorities have no idea how many arms a person has,and the more they legislate(sp)the harder for legitimate people to get firearms,can remember as a 17yr old sitting my arms code and getting license,proud as.

If the crims want firearms they get them,either use standover tactics to a guy with a license who might owe the gang for drugs,or just steal them,the tighter laws don't work well, maybe for innocent people but not crims.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 12th November 2007, 21:13

Originally Posted by peasea

I loved the bit when the pig got shot, that was great.

wot a twat

I don't normally give red reps but you got one out of me...

**scumdog** · 13th November 2007, 05:25

Originally Posted by SVboy

I was living in Central when this happened, and some of my colleagues lost friends there. I think the actual shooting of Gray was televised on the news? The film is very true to my [fuzzy] recollections. I think it was a time that shocked NZ out of a state of innocence and naivity and seemed to compound the impact of rogernomics at the time. A great, sad movie imho.

Na, only the sound of the shooting was televised.

As you can imaging, a TV crew would be the last thing the guy on the ground would have wanted hanging aroubd them.

But true about NZ and the innocence and naivity, I guess that's part the reason the whole thing happened - nobody really thought Gray would have done anything like it, hence no action was taken prior to the event.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th November 2007, 06:09

Originally Posted by scumdog

But true about NZ and the innocence and naivity,

And we still are as a country and population as naive as it comes

**jonbuoy** · 13th November 2007, 06:13

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

You are kidding right... You been watching to much tv

Only partly - I couldn't actually believe it happened in the 90's it looked like it was set in the 70's. Why weren't the army involved - surely they had night vision/thermal imaging that could have helped out after dark.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th November 2007, 06:17

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Only partly - I couldn't actually believe it happened in the 90's it looked like it was set in the 70's. Why weren't the army involved - surely they had night vision/thermal imaging that could have helped out after dark.

Well I left the navy in 1991... and we were only then getting thermal and night vision gear then... so I very much doubt the police had it...

You also have to remember it was set in a small settlement hour an hour up the road from Dunedin the settlement of Aramona back then had very few people that actually lived out there (comparitively) it was and sitll is mainly cribs and batches. Heck the road out there has only just been sealed in the last 10-15 odd years. It was and still is a sleepy little settlement, No shops, police (nearest is in Port Chalmers), no water (have collect the rain water) Power and phone hadn't long got there... when I lived out there there many locals still had there own generators etc

As for the army being involved... it is not their job, it was and still would be a police matter.

**jonbuoy** · 13th November 2007, 06:43

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

Well I left the navy in 1991... and we were only then getting thermal and night vision gear then... so I very much doubt the police had it...

You also have to remember it was set in a small settlement hour an hour up the road from Dunedin the settlement of Aramona back then had very few people that actually lived out there (comparitively) it was and sitll is mainly cribs and batches. Heck the road out there has only just been sealed in the last 10-15 odd years. It was and still is a sleepy little settlement, No shops, police (nearest is in Port Chalmers), no water (have collect the rain water) Power and phone hadn't long got there... when I lived out there there many locals still had there own generators etc

As for the army being involved... it is not their job, it was and still would be a police matter.

Night vision was commonplace in 1990 - gulf war was 1991. Helicopters & 4x4's and 737's were around too - Isn't that exactly what counter terrorism divisions are for??

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th November 2007, 06:51

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Night vision was commonplace in 1990 - gulf war was 1991. Helicopters & 4x4's and 737's were around too - Isn't that exactly what counter terrorism divisions are for??

The cops in Auckland might have had them but not in Dunedin... Heck Invercargill is probably only getting them now

Counter terrorism or SAS teams... no thats not there job, but it is the job the so call S.W.A.T teams it was a civil matter and the took care of it.

**SVboy** · 13th November 2007, 07:20

I think the whole point is , up until that point, and excluding that West coast massacre, no-one thought there was any reason for such an event in "Godsown" and therefore the Police were not trained, or prepared.

**Pixie** · 13th November 2007, 09:53

The usual movie media crap going for the artsy fartsy effect.

one scene sees a cop hearing a small child saying " Please don't shoot me"
so some wanker of a script writer thinks he should have the cop pop up a point his gun at the kid.