So what's your virginity worth?

**Skyryder** · 8th July 2007, 20:28

Originally Posted by 007XX

For whatever it's worth (and I am NOT taking sides here)...a courtesan (from the french courtisane) was a very sought after woman, with brains (aka: wit) as well as beauty and poise...Most women, with lesser IQs and attributes, dilsiked them with a vengeance for their ability to captivate a man's attention and desires...

Very famous women have been such courtisanes through the ages, and are now held as some of the most influencial in history...(ie: Mata Hari, Margaret Thatcher...sorry, just kidding.)

The etiquette we give it nowadays is crass...and I think that is sad.

Bottom line is: if there wasn't a demand for a market such as paying sex, there wouldn't be a seller.

Anyhoo....back on topic...

Essentially your are correct. Courtesans are woman who are able to display at least one and possibly many artistic attributes. It is most important that they can convey themselves in the social manner and conventions of the society in which they operate and be an adept conversationalist in a variety of subjects. While a sexual relationship is often expected from a generous patron or client the courtesan always has the final say in the arrangement. Emphasis is placed on the role of a companion, not as a prostitute. Very few Courtesans are paid in cash. Most western woman arrive at their status through a variety of means. Most that I know of would make an interesting novel but it is not very often talked about.
Cultures that have a tradition of courtesans such as Japan and China were trained from a very early age. Concubines were virtually owned whereas a courtesan such the Japanese Geisha had some freedom but not a lot as they were often indented to an "oka-san"
As in any ‘profession’ there is wide ranging disparities of what constitutes the difference between the prostitute and a courtesan. Western culture sees very little difference between the two. This has much to do with provisions within a marriage that neither partner should copulate outside of the marriage bed. This is not so a rigid requirement in other societies where the courtesan is accepted as a fully accepted member of society.

**jrandom** · 8th July 2007, 20:36

Originally Posted by Courtesan

... more flowery bullshit ...

Seriously, though, do you think any guy's going to pay through the nose for a girl's time if he doesn't get sexual satisfaction?

Nuh-uh.

Sure, plenty will pay to extend a simple shag into the Girlfriend Experience.

I personally know (second-hand) of a gentleman who would often book a particular working girl for several hours at a stretch, almost every week. The time would primarily be spent dining together, chatting, walking, whatever. Very courtesanly indeed.

But they'd still always have sex before the clock ran out.

And she was still (wait for it...)

[drumroll, please]

... a prostitute.

**007XX** · 8th July 2007, 20:38

Originally Posted by Courtesan

Essentially your are correct. Courtesans are woman who are able to display at least one and possibly many artistic attributes. It is most important that they can convey themselves in the social manner and conventions of the society in which they operate and be an adept conversationalist in a variety of subjects. While a sexual relationship is often expected from a generous patron or client the courtesan always has the final say in the arrangement. Emphasis is placed on the role of a companion, not as a prostitute. Very few Courtesans are paid in cash. Most western woman arrive at their status through a variety of means. Most that I know of would make an interesting novel but it is not very often talked about.
Cultures that have a tradition of courtesans such as Japan and China were trained from a very early age. Concubines were virtually owned whereas a courtesan such the Japanese Geisha had some freedom but not a lot as they were often indented to an "oka-san"
As in any ‘profession’ there is wide ranging disparities of what constitutes the difference between the prostitute and a courtesan. Western culture sees very little difference between the two. This has much to do with provisions within a marriage that neither partner should copulate outside of the marriage bed. This is not so a rigid requirement in other societies where the courtesan is accepted as a fully accepted member of society.

Very nicely explained...but such subtleties will escape the average person without academic knowledge of the subject.

**Curious_AJ** · 8th July 2007, 21:48

this thread is off topic...

as for virginity... mine's priceless coz it doesnt exist anymore, bwahahaha!

**janno** · 9th July 2007, 10:15

Originally Posted by Hitcher

And punctuation. Remembering at all times that an ellipsis has only three dots.

Oh rully? OK .........

**Patrick** · 9th July 2007, 10:49

I doubt this 18 year old (or whatever she is) is going to act anything like a courtesan. She wants money for a root. High priced hooker, plain and simple. Hope she doesn't catch something in the process....

**NinjaNanna** · 2nd August 2007, 15:30

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Apparently at the time virgin just meant unwed.

Regardless of whether you believe the bible or not, if your interpretation of virginity is correct, explain why it is included that an Angel visited Joseph to re-assure him that his bride to be had not been de-flowered as some have put it.

**Big Dog** · 4th August 2007, 18:23

Originally Posted by NinjaNanna

Regardless of whether you believe the bible or not, if your interpretation of virginity is correct, explain why it is included that an Angel visited Joseph to re-assure him that his bride to be had not been de-flowered as some have put it.

I am not a theologian so cannot possible have an answer to that.
However it rather does tidy up the matter of sex before marriage thing.....
We have after all had 2000 years to bastardise what was not always a literal recording of history.

More than one pope / king has ordered a rewrite of the bible to accommodate their beliefs.

Should you feel that you can illuminate us further because you have actual proof I would welcome your discourse, though I feel you have missed the point.
The point was simply that virginity has not always meant not yet deflowered.
I in no way stated that the virgin Mary was a slapper who sold her flower to the highest bidder though this does appear to be your translation of my words.

**Sidewinder** · 5th August 2007, 05:40

i gave mine to the 1st hot chick that i stole nikkers from

**NinjaNanna** · 5th August 2007, 15:09

Originally Posted by Big Dog

I am not a theologian so cannot possible have an answer to that.
However it rather does tidy up the matter of sex before marriage thing.....
We have after all had 2000 years to bastardise what was not always a literal recording of history.

More than one pope / king has ordered a rewrite of the bible to accommodate their beliefs.

Should you feel that you can illuminate us further because you have actual proof I would welcome your discourse, though I feel you have missed the point.
The point was simply that virginity has not always meant not yet deflowered.
I in no way stated that the virgin Mary was a slapper who sold her flower to the highest bidder though this does appear to be your translation of my words.

Hey Big Dog,

in order to not take this off thread which no doubt it would have I have responded here, sorry it got moved here.

Hopefully you can appreciate that it has taken me some time to respond to you, I sincerely hope that at no point does my response come across as condesending, dismissive, arrogant or any other negative traps that Christian Theology often fall into.

Happy reading everyone.

Best Regards

Shane

aka NN

**Max Preload** · 26th November 2007, 20:15

Originally Posted by Courtesan

blah blah blah...

Don't try and church it up. Requiring payment for sex => ho. The End.

**0arbreaka** · 26th November 2007, 22:10

Mine was worth about $35 for the swappa crate....

**pzkpfw** · 27th November 2007, 07:37

Given a rate of $35, mine was worth $126,000 per hour.

**Skyryder** · 28th November 2007, 15:38

Originally Posted by awful-truth

Don't try and church it up. Requiring payment for sex => ho. The End.

There is an assumption on your part that a relationship with a courtesan automatically involves sex and payment for this equals prostitution This is not an unreasonable assumption from one who knows little of what they talk about. The reality is much much different. Prostitutes have clients, along with other professionals. I have benefactors and receive no payment in cash either for sex or for other services outside of this area.
e.g. I have only recently returned from South America where I have been engaged in organizing a ball for a private polo club. My benefactor’s wife is unable to perform these duties due to illness and I am expected, indeed, a privilege to act as his hostess.
I was in S. America for about three months. To give you some idea of the ‘respect’ that I have from this gentleman I received ear rings and a matching pendent to the value of 65,000 US for my services. No sex was involved.