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    Had my share of issues with prepay but you do get the odd station that will turn the pumps on with just a wave. Particularly annoying in the middle of the night on the GC, here's a couple of stories:

    At a station in Wanganui: they were flat out, 3 or 4 bikes plus the local boy racers. Attendant making everyone come in and prepay & then get a refund if necessary. Talk about congestion & chaos on the pumps.

    Wellsford this year: attendant couldn't even work out how to turn the pumps on - may as well have shut up shop. After 10mins or so we discovered that the station up the road was open - on prepay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellnback View Post
    Why not just go into the station hand over $40, fill up both bikes, go back in and get your change??
    True - you still have to have $40 (or whatever) on you in cash and you still have to go in twice...
    Yep that'll fucks em. Get the $40 reciept and make sure you get the second reciept. That way they have two operate the till twice for one sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Dan View Post
    MOBIL - Don Buck Road, Massey. Pre-pay 24/7 including bikes.
    Stopped there yesterday to pump up my tyres, poor guy on a green Kawa was there for ages, damn pump was busted and wouldn't go past 23 psi.

    Also the Challenge Station across the road is 24/7 prepay

    Besides Shell Westgate (which gets pretty busy) my other local fuel stop would be the Caltex on Triangle Road. In the evenings if its on prepay they always open the pump for me......not sure if its a trust thing or the fact they like chatting to me about bikes after I have filled up and paying for the gas

    Other than that it looks like West Auckland is a dishonest bunch as a lot of the gas stations around West are 24/7 prepay

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    Well, all the times I went to a petrol station that was on prepay I just gave a wave to the attendant or went in and had a word and they turned it on for me right away...

    If they don't (which has happened at one station) then yeah, I just go to the next one because it is really impossible to tell how much you will need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    If the monkey dosen't want to come out of its enclosure, leave the pump nozzles on the ground as you leave...
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    why dont start a list of service stations who use pay at the pump. One of the local mobil stations does and it is always working. Plus pac n sav down the road only uses pay at pump.

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    Why is it that quite a few people that have posted so far seem to be of the impression that just because they are on a bike, this entitles them to having the pump authorised over a car.

    I can tell you from 6 years of experience, that bikes steal petrol too, and just because it's probably a smaller amount, doesn't really justify the argument for unlocking the pumps for bikes only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    I've just sent an email to Gull as below. Twice now Gull, Gt Sth Rd Manurewa/Takanini have demanded that we prepay fixed amounts of $10 or $20 when we wanted to fill up. Prepay is bullshit!

    Prepay SUCKS big time!

    As a motorist in New Zealand and particularly as a motorcyclist, I despise prepay. This odious system is NOT primarily designed for security: it is designed to maximise profits by reducing staff numbers and by forcing motorists to enter gas stations more often and sometimes several times on each fill. While there they are expected to purchase products on impulse; and they do (this is not opinion, it is fact confirmed by an industry insider).

    By forcing motorists to decide on how much they want to put in their gas tanks on a dollar basis, fuel retailers (mainly the oil companies), ensure that cars are rarely filled up and must therefore return more often to gas stations. In addition, if you do want to fill up, you are usually required to swipe your card at the station, fill up and then return to approve the final amount bought; a double entry into the station and another opportunity for the station to tempt you into buying some junk on impulse that you don’t need and probably wouldn’t have bought otherwise.

    Some gas stations have eftpos at pump available but often these are not switched on (Mobil Wiri Station Rd). The idea of eftpos at pump is perfect: we can fill up and pay at the pump with the least fuss. However, for the reasons above, gas stations then don’t get to maximise profits and they often don’t enable this system.

    For a motorcyclist prepay is even more of an imposition. Many motorcycles have quite small tanks and even a large tank on a bike is just 25 litres. However, for many bikes, 8-15 litres is more often the capacity. With prepay, it is virtually impossible to guess how much fuel you will need and given that motorbikes often get just 100-200 kilometres per fill; we often want to fill up and maximise the distance traveled. My wife’s bike for example, takes just 11 litres. It gets pretty good mileage but we are never able to guess just how much fuel it will take and we always want to fill up before a trip. A Ducati Hailwood replica (newish model) takes just 8 litres and with it’s 1000cc motor, might only get 100km from that fill. To guess whether the tank needs 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 litres is virtually impossible and the rider is left having to enter gas stations twice to fill up under prepay at it’s worst. The worst offending gas station in my area is Gull Gt South Rd Takanini (near the top of Mahia Rd, Manurewa). This gas station has refused to allow us to fill up our bikes on a number of occasions demanding that we specify exactly how much we intend to use and prepay exactly that amount: their ‘suggestions’ were $10 or $20. My wife’s bike took about half a tank the first time (5.5 litres) and less the next time (about 4 litres). You can see that demanding a $10 or $20 prepay is ridiculous.

    Now some gas stations recognise that motorcyclists are an issue and they release pumps when they see a bike arrive. It is not unreasonable for them to require us to take off our helmet for security reasons however. I applaud these gas stations and their awareness.

    My suggestion is that we, as motorcyclists AND often car drivers too, name and shame the worst offenders and boycott them completely both for motorbike and for car purchases. I also suggest we name and praise those stations that DO recognise that prepay is an imposition and release pumps for motorcycles. Those gas stations should be promoted and pat5ronage should be encouraged. Likewise gas stations that have pay at pump AND turn it on.

    As a start I offer the following:

    DON’T use Gull Gt Sth Rd near Mahia Rd Manurewa. These people are ignorant and arrogant and don’t deserve our business.

    DON’T use Mobil Wiri Station Rd as this station uses prepay even though it has pay at pump which is usually turned off.

    DO use Mobil Hill Rd Manurewa. These people are wonderful and even when pumps are switched to prepay, they release pumps every time they see a motorbike pull up.

    IMPORTANT! Make sure you make a fuss whenever possible if you encounter prepay ignorance and tell them you will boycott their gas station on your bike AND in your car because of their ignorance and arrogance. Send emails to the oil companies and tell them to get their act together and stop the callous disregard they have for customers.

    Guess America can't be all bad then huh?
    You would be hard pressed to find a gas station anywhere in the entire country that didn't have a pay at the pump set up. Even the little po-dunk towns population of about 50 have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubba Gubba View Post
    Why is it that quite a few people that have posted so far seem to be of the impression that just because they are on a bike, this entitles them to having the pump authorised over a car.

    I can tell you from 6 years of experience, that bikes steal petrol too, and just because it's probably a smaller amount, doesn't really justify the argument for unlocking the pumps for bikes only.
    I think you are missing the point.

    You have to go in and pre pay $20 petrol, the bike then takes $14 petrol, You then need to get a refund. Each time you have to line up.

    Most petrol stations have eftpos at the pump. They don't use it because they want you to go into the shop. That way you might spend money on other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubba Gubba View Post
    Why is it that quite a few people that have posted so far seem to be of the impression that just because they are on a bike, this entitles them to having the pump authorised over a car.

    I can tell you from 6 years of experience, that bikes steal petrol too, and just because it's probably a smaller amount, doesn't really justify the argument for unlocking the pumps for bikes only.
    But then from your experience you would also know that a large percentage of car drivers don't fill up when they go to a servo. They get their $5, 10, 15, 20 and so on amounts.

    On the flip side what..80-90% of bikes that got to a servo will fill up? Especially seeing not all bikes have a fuel gauge and people need to go by the trip counter vs a full tank of gas.

    So you either have the choice of putting an exact dollar amount in and not filling the tank, or end up not being able to get the fuel you did prepay for in to the tank and then have to go back in to change from the dude behind the counter.

    Best way is to try and become a regular at a servo so they get to know you and you won't have a problem with prepay anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    my local bp seems to have a discrimination policy. white, shirt & tie, over 25? no problems we'll release the pumps. any combination on young, brown, ricer car, hoody, mates in the car then you need to go inside and prepay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    While I understand your frustration, there is a common theme here. All these stations are in lower socioeconomic areas full of thieving scum.
    It's not discrimination - it's profiling. They don't just decide not to release the pumps for these "customers" on a whim - they have drive offs, mostly by exactly this sort.

    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    I've just sent an email to Gull as below. Twice now Gull, Gt Sth Rd Manurewa/Takanini have demanded that we prepay fixed amounts of $10 or $20 when we wanted to fill up. Prepay is bullshit!
    I was in there on Friday night wanting to fill the car and had the same thing happen. I was told I couldn't fill it. So I went to Caltex and spent my $120 there. Fuck 'em.

    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Some gas stations have eftpos at pump available but often these are not switched on (Mobil Wiri Station Rd). The idea of eftpos at pump is perfect: we can fill up and pay at the pump with the least fuss. However, for the reasons above, gas stations then don’t get to maximise profits and they often don’t enable this system.
    I think I've only ever seen EFTPOS at the pump working once at anywhere but Pak'n'Refugee (where they don't have any option).

    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Now some gas stations recognise that motorcyclists are an issue and they release pumps when they see a bike arrive. It is not unreasonable for them to require us to take off our helmet for security reasons however. I applaud these gas stations and their awareness.
    I never fill up in South Auckland if I can possibly avoid it although one gas station I've found isn't too bad - BP Kerrs Road always release the pump for me even late at night on the bike without removing my helmet.
    If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!

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    I take it whoever said they leave their card with the attendant and go fill up has never heard of card skimming... or even easier just writing you credit card details down...

    Sorry but that is a stupid idea! Card skimming is easy as to do for a credit card, and only slightly harder for a eftpos card. I bet you don't take too much care to hide your pin when you enter it either, not that it'd matter since most gas stations have cameras on the counter anyway!

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    pre-pay? what a bizarre concept. I only ever hit it in the north island.
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    I know a place in Auckland that has open pumps 24 hours a day.

    Not sure if I should say where it is. But some here might know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    While I understand your frustration, there is a common theme here. All these stations are in lower socioeconomic areas full of thieving scum. Gas stations do not provide a community service. They are a business trying to make a buck in a very difficult market made even more difficult by a Government that not only hates business (much like yourself), but goes out of their way to make it difficult for them.

    Don't like it? Go somewhere else.
    Generally that was the case but now the idea is spreading like the virus it is. In the last month I have been put on prepay at Caltex Stanley St., Mobil Quay St., and after the Cheesecutter Ride, the Mobil on Parnell Road. Hardly low rent areas.

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