Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

[Katman]

I know you are suppose to expect the unexpected, however, if the cop did do a u-turn on a bend then who is the more culpable

That is the crux of it. "Expect the unexpected". What use is it lying in a hospital on your deathbed saying "but it wasn't my place to give way"?

[dangerous]

If anyone other than a cop did a u-turn there, they would be automatically done for careless causing injury. Yes, it was a long sweeping tree-lined corner, but the location shouldn't make any difference. The onus is on the turning vehicle to ensure the way is clear. And it was two sprotbikes that hit the car, not a single with pillion.
'Police are considering charges' says OneNews...I wonder who will 'get it'?

The cop needs a farking bolicking just like me or you would.
If I or you were to do a u turn where that cop did the police would have our balls for bookings... I wonder if this cop will end up in the shit? all he wanted was to add to his quota and take chase... no farking brains were involved in his case, I know the road well in fact did it last weekend... it was a stupid place for a U turn just like most of the west coast.

Wonder what story...

I bet the cop...

You guys are idiots.

well then that might just make 3 of ya's
Just you wait and see, you cant trust the NZ police... they will come out squeaky clean, and I bet the cop did fuck up.

[dipshit]

Hate u-turns....one of the most hazardous maneovres in my book. So easy to miss somthing......if it is done in the wrong place a vehicle is a some point blocking the one side of carriageway giving limited evasive choices.

I totally agree. However anything could be halfway around that next corner. A fallen branch, a cow, a rolled car... etc etc. From the cop's point of view there may have been enough visibility for a car travelling at 100kph to slowdown. A bike coming around at 200kph at full lean say, is just bad luck.

We all know the hazards involved when going for it. It is a role of the dice.

Of course if the bikes were nearly on top of him, and he simply didn't see them as he pulled out, then that's a different story.

[dangerous]

A bike coming around at 200kph at full lean say,

You cant do 200k on them roads, to narrow too tight too bushy and over growen... its the west coast man.

[James Deuce]

well then that might just make 3 of ya's
Just you wait and see, you cant trust the NZ police... they will come out squeaky clean, and I bet the cop did fuck up.

How does it make Skel* an idiot? He was commenting on people leaping to conclusions without any facts to hand. At the time he said it it was on the money. That doesn't make it less true right now.

[dipshit]

You cant do 200k on them roads, to narrow too tight too bushy and over growen... its the west coast man.

Regardless, we need to stop automatically blaming everybody else. Fucking cages... fucking cops, blah blah blah... And yet the carnage continues. Our energy would be better spent taking a long hard look and some responsibility for our own actions rather than worrying about everybody else.

Half of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist. We are just as bad as the car drivers at injuring ourselves.

[dangerous]

How does it make Skel* an idiot? He was commenting on people leaping to conclusions without any facts to hand. At the time he said it it was on the money. That doesn't make it less true right now.

Ohh I know that Jim, look at those guys that posted, they are young what do you expect... either way Skel is is comenting with out knowing the full facts aswell.. just like me.
What I saw on TV3 news is that the cop did a 3 point turn and did not see any traffic comming when he started the U turn... what does that tell you? the road is narrow and dangerous and you cant do a 3 point turn in the time it takes a bike to come around the corner.
The media has covered both accos and no two reports have been the same on either acco... what happened, wait n see.

Regardless, we need to stop automatically blaming everybody else. Fucking cages... fucking cops, blah blah blah... And yet the carnage continues. Our energy would be better spent taking a long hard look and some responsibility for our own actions rather than worrying about everybody else.

Half of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist. We are just as bad as the car drivers at injuring ourselves.

I agree... and we cant let this countrys "do gooders" protect the guilty either

[dipshit]

What I saw on TV3 news is that the cop did a 3 point turn and did not see any traffic comming when he started the U turn... what does that tell you? the road is narrow and dangerous and you cant do a 3 point turn in the time it takes a bike to come around the corner.

Funny, the same coverage I saw showed a large shoulder that they said he pulled over onto, and after looking that no vehicles were coming, was starting to move back out onto the road when the bikes hit.

It's 50/50 as to who could be at fault. Time and investigation will tell. No point in jumping to any conclusions.

[dangerous]

Funny, the same coverage I saw showed a large shoulder that they said he pulled over onto, and after looking that no vehicles were coming, was starting to move back out onto the road when the bikes hit.

Mate... if its been wet and thers every chance of it on the coast... you dont drive on the grass that was showen. and I bet were the camera man was standing wasent the actualy spot, it will still be cordened of and a copper on points.

[R6_kid:Me]

Looked like one bike was Ducati 999/749 and the other was a similar large capacity V-twin.

[orangeback]

Looked like one bike was Ducati 999/749 and the other was a similar large capacity V-twin.

hope the coppers have got a wof and reg as the isurance wont pay for that 999 and rsv they just toasted
(may cost the coppers 50k)that bit of road 160 km would be pushing it to stay on in places , (great bit of tarmack to ride as long as its not wet )

[inlinefour]

Heard on the radio news a fellow rider stating that the main way of making it safer for motorcyclists on the roads is for everyone to take more care when looking to see if the coast is clear. He also commented on the lack of ability of many cage operators to do so. Pretty much summed my thoughts about it nicely. A couple of my offs could have been avoided if that was the case.
Don't see the point in laying blame as its not going to help in avoiding it in future. Best thing to do is learn from it and act accordingly. I also heard that a campervan took out another bike with two on it. Sucks.

[The Pastor]

I bet the driver of the cage is sweating like a cop right about now.

Where were the police in this situation? Giving out (on the way to) tickets.

Makes me sick.

[Katman]

Half of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist.

Well that's the first statement you've made that I would say is crap. I would say 90% of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist or there were at least steps that the motorcyclist could have taken to avoid the accident. I am sick to fucking death of hearing motorcyclists spouting "fucking cagers this, fucking cagers that"!

[JKWNZ]

Some interesting stats: "41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occurred in situations where drivers did not see the motorcycle" - ACC

"In 75 per cent of the accidents the motorcyclists were not at fault" -ACC

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10445028