Bikers collide with Police car in Buller Gorge (1 December)

**idb** · 3rd December 2007, 05:34

Originally Posted by Ixion

And a smaller, but more elite chunk has popped in and done the normal automatic defense of the police, who can do no wrong, and it's those crazy speeding bikers who are to blame.

As to the rest, so what you are saying is that two bikers are badly smashed up, but because we do not know what colour jocks the cop was wearing, we must needs just shrug and ignore it ?

Ah, yes, of course, apathy, the good old Kiwi way.

(You'll note that I've quoted you in full, nothing left out)

Sometimes I open these threads and allow myself to get outraged at the cop/motorcyclist/road builders/God.
Sometimes I think that it is only right that we wait to hear the facts.....................and sometimes I just sigh.

**Shazz** · 3rd December 2007, 06:10

Wishes of recovery to all riders involved in the South Island accidents this weekend gone. No matter what...it was an accident, its happened, who to blame is not ours to fault...blame will be sorted by those who deal with it.
Take care of yourselves, as we only can.

Stay upright, alert and alive is all I can pass on.

**unrealone** · 3rd December 2007, 06:24

Edit: Removed my comment.

Don't wish to enter into this conversation anymore

/hugs edit button

**James Deuce** · 3rd December 2007, 06:37

I'm not defending the cop or the motorcyclists.

My comment about the events of last year is relevant.

Once again there is a shitty weekend in relation to motorcycle deaths and injuries.

Once again every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks they can recreate the scenario in their head and accurately apportion blame, and expound at length on a predetermined outcome that exists only in their own head.

katman is dead right too. There is always something a motorcyclist can do to avoid an accident, even if it comes down to accepting you're not in the right head space to go for a ride.

**Katman** · 3rd December 2007, 07:42

Originally Posted by Jim2

katman is dead right too.

Thank you Jim. I was about to reply to unrealone until I realised that I just couldn't be arsed.

(Don't know about your choice of words though).

**Fatjim** · 3rd December 2007, 07:55

The three deaths this weekend last year involved bikes on the wrong side of the road.

The three deaths this weekend involved cages on the wrong side of the road.

Not really a trend there.

BTW, I rode from Auckland to Welly on Sunday, via the Taupo track day for D and B. I didn't have any moments, nor saw any real daft shit except on the Auckland Motorway. Quite a safe ride in the North Island.

**Katman** · 3rd December 2007, 08:02

I rode from Taupo to Wanganui and back on the weekend and was impressed by the number of cars that moved over to allow more room for me to pass. Each one got a wave of thanks.

(I'm almost tempted to suggest organising a protest ride against the attitude of a depressingly large number of motorcyclists. You know the one - "I'll ride however the fuck I want, and if you don't like it, go fuck yourself".)

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd December 2007, 08:36

Originally Posted by Shazz

No matter what...it was an accident...

No it wasn't. It was a crash. I'm sick of events like this being called 'accidents'. Accidents are extremely rare events, whereas crashes are all too common.
I make no claims as to what input the bikers had, but the situation would never have arisen if the cop hadn't performed such an ill-advised and dodgy manouevre. It was the place he performed it that makes it ill-advised/dodgy. However, as an HP charged with promoting safety on our roads, and with his training, he should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, and he deserves our contempt and any pillorying that goes on here.

**Fub@r** · 3rd December 2007, 09:18

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10479720

Hasn't been a good weekend for riders

**dmouse** · 3rd December 2007, 09:27

this happend on saturday we do not really need reminding its been a bad weekend for bikers and others involved

RIP to the fallen

**Flinders** · 3rd December 2007, 10:04

This is really serious. This Police Officer was so anxious to catch a motorcyclist (allegedly) speeding that he almost killed two other people. The thrill of the chase got the better of him perhaps ?? insufficient training ??? bad Police practice ??

**enigma51** · 3rd December 2007, 10:09

Cant say I did not see this coming We had a few weekends ago a cop almost taking out a few of us in a similiar situation.

I dont think its poor training but rather presure on the cops to get there "numbers"

**jimbo600** · 3rd December 2007, 10:22

Nearly happened to me too. Missus was driving us (I was pissed) back to paraparaumu, and just into Mana a chap coming the other way passed going roughly 60-65 kmh. The HP car in front of us veered left then a hard right U-turn without indicating or strobes going and we damn nearly t-boned him. I was right pissed off and tried to get the Doris to turn around so I could give him a serve, but being sober she declined and we tootled off home.

In his overzealous fervour to issue some poor sod a ticket he very nearly caused an accident himself.

I also know of another incident where a HP was across the double yellow center line heading up Kaitoke way and nearly hit a mate and his missus on her bike. My mate stopped behind the cop, who was issuing a ticket to a car for 120 in 100 and declared his annoyance at nearly being hit on his side of the road. The cop took umbrage at this and gave him a ticket for a dirty reg plate (guy had a scottoiler).

However I have also seen a cop with strobes lit wait at the side of the road until he could safely turn around, after a while waiting he gave up, so again its only a few idiots who get all giddy with the chase.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 3rd December 2007, 10:49

You should be reporting these incidents... goes too show that its just not a one off thing that has happened, and there has been many near misses...

As for the dirty number plate and double yellow... againg report it and dispute it, point out it was a near miss and you could have been killed for a messily fine...

**enigma51** · 3rd December 2007, 11:00

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

You should be reporting these incidents... goes too show that its just not a one off thing that has happened, and there has been many near misses...

As for the dirty number plate and double yellow... againg report it and dispute it, point out it was a near miss and you could have been killed...

Sorry to say but it goes nowhere
In a sad unspeakable truth what happend this weekend might help. Something serious has to happen before action is taken.... at least thats what I found.