Ha ha! Its only ever a matter of time before the feminist card gets trotted out as the "blame" for women's right to assert themselves. But speaking for myself and many other women I know, I have to say that I reckon feminism, well-intentioned as it was, actually did more harm than good to the equilibrium of the planet. Yes, really. It might give you guys some faith, to know that we're not all hysterical bra-burning, bollock-ripping tree-pullers. I think men have had a raw deal over feminism, on the whole, and its got to the point where we're still living with the standards of previous generations (who thankfully still have some moral influence so far, at least) but trying to incorporate new ones that give women equality on levels where its needed without going too far in the wrong direction. Nobody really know what's expected of them anymore. My poor old Dad, who's 72, told me he was raised to do nice things, like hold a door open for a woman rather than let it shut in her face, but these days he doesn't know if he's gonna get thanked or snarled at for his trouble. So he is confused. Personally, though, I like to have a door held open for me, or a seat given up for me on a bus if I'm carrying a load of shopping and some guy isn't. I always try to dig out my best smile and polish it up, even if its an effort for whatever reason, and say thank you, because I think it is nice of them to do it, and I don't want it to fade away to a distant memory. I wish the guy who wandered past me in the Warehouse the other day while I was trying unsuccessfully to wrestle a big heavy box down from a shelf taller than me would have stopped and asked me if I needed a hand. I don't care if the feminists yell at me for being soft, or undermining their cause (God, who needs those targets?), but some girls do care, and even if they don't really want to, the behave how they think they should, because they don't wanna let the sisterhood down. Don't lynch me, gals, but after 47 years in the real world, and a long apprenticeship of hard knocks and challenges, I think women do need a little looking after. If we're nurtured, ourselves, rather than treated like pieces of meat in bars, or abused for having opinions that men aren't happy about, it puts us in a better place to nurture our men and children. After all, we're expected to do that, but there's only so much you can keep giving out to everyone else, when you don't get much coming back in to draw good stuff from to turn it around and give back out. Kinda like a tide. Has to come in before it can go out. Sometimes women who go to bars and post their frustrations on forums are really just looking to have something nice happen in their lives for a change, and don't need to be shot down by those men who have decided to take it all too personally and make it all about them. Yes, men have an equal right to defend themselves, but there are polite ways to do it, as some men have chosen here, and they therefore deserve to be properly heard. The ranting chest-beaters don't, because that's all too bloody familiar and we get enough of it already out in the real world. I'm not what you'd call "hot" but I've still had to fight off a long parade of no-brainers over the years, some of them aggressively. I've had to swear at some, and I've had to actually drop two, because it was the only way I was gonna get left alone. One time, a guy was hassling me and he started shoving me because I was trying to ignore him. Some other guys just stood around, nobody intervened (the old feminist thing: yeah, she can look after herself, watch this, fellas, see what happens!), so I told him three times to F*** off, I then told him I'd hit him if he didn't, and he didn't. So I knocked him out. Lots of cheers from the boys, but nobody noticed how upsetting that was for me, because I'd rather not have had to do it. Having to deal with wankers and no-brainers is an unfortunate hazard for most girls who like to go out in the hope they will meet someone nice, and it shouldn't have to be that way, but it is, so yes, we complain about it. Why shouldn't we? It doesn't mean all men are assholes. Far from it. Its just a pity when so many of them have decided to make themselves know here in ways that suggest we don't have the right to be upset when people treat us badly and we don't deserve a safe platform free of hassle here in this forum to discuss it. As for the defensive rejoinder of being told to F*** off back to another forum? I rest my case.
Originally Posted by maxworldbiker
Ha ha! Its only ever a matter of time before the feminist card gets trotted out as the "blame" for women's right to assert themselves. But speaking for myself and many other women I know, I have to say that I reckon feminism, well-intentioned as it was, actually did more harm than good to the equilibrium of the planet. Yes, really. It might give you guys some faith, to know that we're not all hysterical bra-burning, bollock-ripping tree-pullers. I think men have had a raw deal over feminism, on the whole, and its got to the point where we're still living with the standards of previous generations (who thankfully still have some moral influence so far, at least) but trying to incorporate new ones that give women equality on levels where its needed without going too far in the wrong direction. Nobody really know what's expected of them anymore. My poor old Dad, who's 72, told me he was raised to do nice things, like hold a door open for a woman rather than let it shut in her face, but these days he doesn't know if he's gonna get thanked or snarled at for his trouble. So he is confused. Personally, though, I like to have a door held open for me, or a seat given up for me on a bus if I'm carrying a load of shopping and some guy isn't. I always try to dig out my best smile and polish it up, even if its an effort for whatever reason, and say thank you, because I think it is nice of them to do it, and I don't want it to fade away to a distant memory. I wish the guy who wandered past me in the Warehouse the other day while I was trying unsuccessfully to wrestle a big heavy box down from a shelf taller than me would have stopped and asked me if I needed a hand. I don't care if the feminists yell at me for being soft, or undermining their cause (God, who needs those targets?), but some girls do care, and even if they don't really want to, the behave how they think they should, because they don't wanna let the sisterhood down. Don't lynch me, gals, but after 47 years in the real world, and a long apprenticeship of hard knocks and challenges, I think women do need a little looking after. If we're nurtured, ourselves, rather than treated like pieces of meat in bars, or abused for having opinions that men aren't happy about, it puts us in a better place to nurture our men and children. After all, we're expected to do that, but there's only so much you can keep giving out to everyone else, when you don't get much coming back in to draw good stuff from to turn it around and give back out. Kinda like a tide. Has to come in before it can go out. Sometimes women who go to bars and post their frustrations on forums are really just looking to have something nice happen in their lives for a change, and don't need to be shot down by those men who have decided to take it all too personally and make it all about them. Yes, men have an equal right to defend themselves, but there are polite ways to do it, as some men have chosen here, and they therefore deserve to be properly heard. The ranting chest-beaters don't, because that's all too bloody familiar and we get enough of it already out in the real world. I'm not what you'd call "hot" but I've still had to fight off a long parade of no-brainers over the years, some of them aggressively. I've had to swear at some, and I've had to actually drop two, because it was the only way I was gonna get left alone. One time, a guy was hassling me and he started shoving me because I was trying to ignore him. Some other guys just stood around, nobody intervened (the old feminist thing: yeah, she can look after herself, watch this, fellas, see what happens!), so I told him three times to F*** off, I then told him I'd hit him if he didn't, and he didn't. So I knocked him out. Lots of cheers from the boys, but nobody noticed how upsetting that was for me, because I'd rather not have had to do it. Having to deal with wankers and no-brainers is an unfortunate hazard for most girls who like to go out in the hope they will meet someone nice, and it shouldn't have to be that way, but it is, so yes, we complain about it. Why shouldn't we? It doesn't mean all men are assholes. Far from it. Its just a pity when so many of them have decided to make themselves know here in ways that suggest we don't have the right to be upset when people treat us badly and we don't deserve a safe platform free of hassle here in this forum to discuss it. As for the defensive rejoinder of being told to F*** off back to another forum? I rest my case.
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What the fuck is going on in here.
I'm with Storm on this one...Although the story was hilarious!
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