Aliens

[MVnut]

VALENTINO ROSSI

[Waylander]

If an organic compound arises, it is unlikely to be anything like Earth's fist concentrated amino acids. It may form alkaline proteins instead of acidic ones, skip DNA altogether and develop an electro magnetic building block instead of an electro chemical one. There's no guarantees. Plus Saturn is nowhere near hot enough to give Titan an atmosphere like Earth's. Blah, blah, blah.

Too many random circumstances to presuppose an eventual outcome.

Goes back to your "recognizable intelligence" theory in way doesn't it?
Recognizable Life... Doesn't have to look or act or survive anything like we do to be life. It might not have DNA but something else, it might not need light or heat.

The only reason scientist here think that life cannot be sustained anywhere other than a planet almost exactly like ours is because that is the limits we have. Who's to say life itself has any kind of restrictions?

Given a couple millenia years who knows what would happen

[James Deuce]

Goes back to your "recognizable intelligence" theory in way doesn't it?
Recognizable Life... Doesn't have to look or act or survive anything like we do to be life. It might not have DNA but something else, it might not need light or heat.

The only reason scientist here think that life cannot be sustained anywhere other than a planet almost exactly like ours is because that is the limits we have. Who's to say life itself has any kind of restrictions?

Given a couple millenia years who knows what would happen

But who is to say we'd recognise it as "life"? Some people can't cope with KBers riding cruisers and liking them, which doesn't bode well for Humanity's capacity to accept something as alive and conscious if it doesn't fit within our pre-conceived notions of "life".

[Waylander]

But who is to say we'd recognise it as "life"?

That's my argument isn't it?

Some people can't cope with KBers riding cruisers and liking them, which doesn't bode well for Humanity's capacity to accept something as alive and conscious if it doesn't fit within our pre-conceived notions of "life".

That's simplifies humanities nonacceptance of differences quite a bit there mate.
I'd be quite happy if the only difference people had trouble with was that some of us ride cruisers and some ride sportbikes lol.

Valid point though, which could be given as the answer to why another more advanced form of life hasn't made contact with us yet. We are just far too violent and primitive to be worth the time..
Of course we would have to recognize them as life before we considered them worth our time.

[jtzzr]

But who is to say we'd recognise it as "life"? Some people can't cope with KBers riding cruisers and liking them, which doesn't bode well for Humanity's capacity to accept something as alive and conscious if it doesn't fit within our pre-conceived notions of "life".

Goes back to your "recognizable intelligence" theory in way doesn't it?
Recognizable Life... Doesn't have to look or act or survive anything like we do to be life. It might not have DNA but something else, it might not need light or heat.

The only reason scientist here think that life cannot be sustained anywhere other than a planet almost exactly like ours is because that is the limits we have. Who's to say life itself has any kind of restrictions?

Given a couple millenia years who knows what would happen

If an organic compound arises, it is unlikely to be anything like Earth's fist concentrated amino acids. It may form alkaline proteins instead of acidic ones, skip DNA altogether and develop an electro magnetic building block instead of an electro chemical one. There's no guarantees. Plus Saturn is nowhere near hot enough to give Titan an atmosphere like Earth's. Blah, blah, blah.

Too many random circumstances to presuppose an eventual outcome.

So you watch The Universe program on national geographic? They are saying that one of Saturn's moons (Titan) is very much like early earth. Even to the point of organic compounds being made by electric storms in the atmosphere there.

Ah, well I was close then.

There`s way to much intelligence here , I think , ooh look Harry Potters on the square thingy in the corner, Pretty lights

[Waylander]

Should I mention that I am killing time before I go to watch Alien Vs Predator requiem tonight?

[banditrider]

Warning: too much science in this thread...Where are the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy quotes?

Off to learn how to fly (simple: throw yourself at the ground and miss)...

[sedge]

you been reading Bryson again Jim2 ?

Anyway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

My theory is that they are everywhere, they just don't like us.

Sedge.

[Bren]

I believe in God, more so as a Supreme Being than that guy sittin up there on a cloud having a philosophical conversation with St Peter. I believe that that said "Supreme Being" is infinitely more intellegent than us. And that "Supreme Being" maybe, just may be an Alien...Well Heck, he ain't Human is he?

²⁷ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. ²⁸ And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The Book of Genesis 1:27-28

So that Supreme Being ain't a wispy thing but a bipedal being...is it possible then that that Supreme Being is what some people refer to as Aliens...A Traveler from a vastly more intelligent civilization? And as for Jesus Christ? Alien again...possibly, He certainly performed miracles, things that could not be explained by people of the times. And Moses, He parted the red sea so his people could flee Egypt.

All throughout the Old Testament are stories of Cherubums and such...things that flew. Here is one from The 2nd Book of Samuel

⁵ When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid; ⁶ The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me; ⁷ In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. ⁸ Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. ⁹ There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. ¹⁰ He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. ¹¹ And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. ¹² And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. ¹³ Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. ¹⁴ The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. ¹⁵ And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. ¹⁶ And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Could that text possibly describe someone Descending and Ascending in a UFO?

The Book of Ezekiel describes Cherubums with revolving wheels and such, wheels turning in strange ways. another possible UFO? I dont know but it is always possible.

My point being is that Religions from many areas could involve Aliens....Aztecs for another example....I know what I believe, and I can happily believe in Both God and the possibility of Aliens

[SPman]

I find most people are aliens, to me.

[nodrog:Me]

there must be other forms of life out there, and no matter how small or unadvanced it is, its got to be more intelligent than skidmark

[Hitcher]

It should be possible to have a "sensible" discussion on the likelihood of "intelligent" "life" elsewhere in the universe without trotting the bible out. "Theological" discussion on this matter can be unearthed in the Religious Ravings thread, where it has been had on a couple of occasions.

Let's try and keep threads on topic for as long as possible, eh?

[Disco Dan]

The answer is 42.

[Blackadda]

The question has been answered, the ranting religious southern man proves there is life south of the cook strait, therefore there must be alien life!

However it may not be intelligent life?

[Jamezo]

Do I believe that intelligent life does/has/will exist/existed somewhere in the universe? I believe that it's highly likely!

Do I believe we have been visited by these life forms, given everything we know about the relativistic (in the Einsteinian rather than the philosophical sense...!) limitations imposed on travel and communication and even the most fanciful limits of technology? Not at all.