Chick and guns

[ManDownUnder]

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Re Dan and outlawing/banning guns totally. Ummmm no. While I see the position and understand the reason for holding it I totally disagree with it due to it being biased, (understandibly) influenced by recent events, and naieve

All other issues aside, it's important that those seriously affected by an issue are given the chance to say their peace, but they should not be the final desicion makers as they're emotionally involved and are not likely to make rational decisions on the path to policy.

Sue Bradford and the anti smacking bill comes to mind. Does the fact she was abused make her an impartial advocate of the law, or does she actually have a personal interest in this which could result in bad law being passed just for the sake of it?

Guns have their place in society. Depending on the society they have a different place (i.e. at war vs peace time, USA vs Switerland vs NZ etc). BBut sadly, when the law can't get to you in time and you need to look after you and yours ... might ultimately is right. Guns are part of that equation.

[Swoop]

Banning things because they have some sort of perception.

"Why don't we ban aircraft (for example), as they kill people."
The military use them, to drop bombs on people and fight each other with.
"They are evil and must be banned". "Think of the lives' that we'll save by banning them".
Quite true.


On the other hand is the fact that they are also used for good things.
Rescuing people. Saving lives. People fly aircraft for fun and enjoyment and enhance their personal skills and capabilities. Some people even use them to compete and win competitions with. There are museums where people actually collect aircraft for their own and the public's enjoyment.


The scary thing is when individuals do not have the chance to decide for themselves what they want. Usually this has been pre-determined by a few very vocal individuals who are pushing an agenda, which is then supported by a section of the media who are too stupid to look at the facts but still see a "story" to print or broadcast.
Just look at some of the stupid laws this country has enacted recently. A vocal few have inflicted their way onto the mass populus.

For someone without any knowledge or experience to dictate what others must do...
Unfortunately our society now sees this as the norm.

Edit: Bugger. took so long to write that MDU has put an eloquent post above.

[007XX]

Most things, used in an irresponsible fashion, will be dangerous...

Don't blame the item in question, just the person using it irresponsibly.

In my opinion, banning something because too many idiots are misusing it, is just a "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff" mentality which doesn't solve anything and deprives those using them properly unjustifiably.

Sort the morons out and leave the healthy minded ones alone to have fun, I say.

[007XY]

...Sort the morons out and leave the healthy minded ones alone to have fun, I say.

Apparently with the reported 'dumming down' of the average American the 'average' intellect in the USA now, is what was in the 50's, 60's and 70's dull normal-moron!! .. with guns!! damn I love NZ..

[007XX]

Apparently with the reported 'dumming down' of the average American the 'average' intellect in the USA now, is what was in the 50's, 60's and 70's dull normal-moron!! .. with guns!! damn I love NZ..

+1...

[jrandom]

From my cold, dead hands.



Hey, the Murkns are allowed to get something right occasionally.

[Delerium]

I cannot see any reason for guns being used outside of the army or police.

They have no place in general society. At all.

But I am bias - I have had family members killed by guns in England... part of the reason why I am here.

Iv had several friends killed on motorbikes I think there fore all motorbikes have no place in society. A gun is simply a tool, it takes a person to operate, the person killed your family members. My condolences for you loss, and I can understand how this would shape your opinion, but I dissagree. I enjoy shooting as part of my profession and recreationally. I shoot competitively and hunt whenver I can.

NZ has some of the best firearms laws around and a very low rate of firearms crime. I have followed several debates such as the place of firearms in society, and the vast majority in every case of those that oppose revery to emotive argument while those in support use logic. Many that oppose have never been trained or used a firearm either. Given the proper resepect, a little common sense and following safety practices shooting is perfectly safe. Im not dead or injured after 15 years of it.

If its not for you then fair enough, but dont try to ban my sport becuase of somebody elses actions. If you want to see what all the fuss is about, by all means go to your local range or try it with somebody that does it. you may like it you may not.

Every time that I have gone hunting iv met some random person or persons and have swapped stories and been really friendly. Complete strangers sharing a meal and telling lies becuase of a common sport. Part of why I enjoy going for a hunt is just being out in the boonies. Firearms owners are not bad people. We follow the correct safety standards and vetting process to enjoy our sport, so how does punishing us, the ones that carry out the correct process make the world safer? The person that goes on the ramage or robs a bank wont do it.

[scumdog]

From my cold, dead hands.



Hey, the Murkns are allowed to get something right occasionally.

Good call!!

BTW - the volume of gun deaths in a society is not an indication of lack of gun control -it's an indication of the mental health of a population

[sAsLEX]

Good call!!

BTW - the volume of gun deaths in a society is not an indication of lack of gun control -it's an indication of the mental health of a population

I like looking at the proliferation of weapons in Switzerland. They have the right idea, CMT would help this country a lot!

[Bikernereid]

So what I don't have sex with everyone either but you chose to selectively leave that section out!!

She doesn't have a motorcycle.

[jrandom]

So what I don't have sex with everyone either but you chose to selectively leave that section out!!

I don't presume to comment on things that I wouldn't know anything about.



Did you consider the possibility that Mr Filthy Luka was simply interpreting the implications of your chosen online handle?

If you're neither a biker nor a nympho, why name yourself both?

[scumdog]

I don't presume to comment on things that I wouldn't know anything about.



Did you consider the possibility that Mr Filthy Luka was simply interpreting the implications of your chosen online handle?

If you're neither a biker nor a nympho, why name yourself both?

I thought she was a biker 'n did only did 1 mile per hour???

[jrandom]

I thought she was a biker 'n did only did 1 mile per hour???

Well spotted, sir!

[Bikernereid]

Hypersexuality: a female whose sex drive is obsessively high. Considered a mental illness, coloqiually means a horny girl. Not to be confused with slut or skank where one's sexual dignity is pathetically low, nymphomania is simply related to an abnormally high sex drive.

I don't presume to comment on things that I wouldn't know anything about.



Did you consider the possibility that Mr Filthy Luka was simply interpreting the implications of your chosen online handle?

If you're neither a biker nor a nympho, why name yourself both?

[Bikernereid]

I guess if you look at the average Canadian- intellgent, level-headed, cONSERVATIVE, outward-looking, and then compared them to the average American it is not difficult to see why although Canadians have one of the highest gun-to-people ratios they have such a low level of gun related crime.

I am not longer frightened of guns but have a healthy respect for them. I still have the heebeegeebees about the bloody idiots 'playing' with them though.

I like looking at the proliferation of weapons in Switzerland. They have the right idea, CMT would help this country a lot!