Knives the 'new' weapon of choice...

[Mekk]

Load of rubbish.

Seconded.

Having been stabbed in the throat by a some guy fucked on drugs, it's easy to see how damage can be done regardless of skill or inebriation level.

[kevfromcoro]

another one on the news now and in manurewa also thats 3 there now

Just heard that on the news...lady slashed in the throat
.Not dead...3 in 4 days..all in Manurewa

[Mekk]

Just heard that on the news...lady slashed in the throat
.Not dead...3 in 4 days..all in Manurewa

Media sensationalization. These attacks are probably within the normal statistics, especially in that area.

I think it's being worked up like those dog attacks a little while ago. Unless there's hard evidence of knife attacks increasing, we cannot assume it's anything out of the ordinary just because there's increased media coverage of such things.

The Herald especially enjoys this type of journalism, so before everyone gets paranoid and starts carrying counter-weapons, I suggest we take a step back and have a look at the right facts.

[Headbanger]

Carrying a knife for your own protection is a really really bad idea unless you know how to use it.

If I had anyone pull a knife on me I'd probably try and evaluate whether the person knew how to use it properly. If he didn't I'd take it off him and show him why it's a bad idea.

In all seriousness, what makes you think you could?

The guy that knifed me, I never saw the knife, I thought I dodged a punch, But no, he had slit my throat....and I stepped in and him on the chin.

[SPman]

However if a white kid gets attacked by a group of hoodlums and is left pantless in the middle of the school yard in front of everyone, the principle says "I don't want to hear about it" and the whole thing is covered up.

Well, I hope he was covered up.........

disgusting sight...........

[Dargor]

Unless there's hard evidence of knife attacks increasing, we cannot assume it's anything out of the ordinary just because there's increased media coverage of such things.

The Herald especially enjoys this type of journalism, so before everyone gets paranoid and starts carrying counter-weapons, I suggest we take a step back and have a look at the right facts.

So if these things happen all the time that makes it ok. No thanks, if these things happen all the time then we should be carrying "counter-weapon", whatever they maybe.

[Mr Merde]

So if these things happen all the time that makes it ok. No thanks, if these things happen all the time then we should be carrying "counter-weapon", whatever they maybe.

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately it has been decided that you or anyone is in no way allowed to carry as you put it a counter weapon.

It has been decided, by whom I am not too entirely sure, that for you to fight back in any way would contravene the rights of the criminal to pursue their chosen career. If by any chance you actually damaged said criminal you would be guilty of usually a far greater crime and the full force of the law will be brought to bear and to defend yourself you will have to bankrupt yourself and your family. This bankruptcy is deemed a fitting punishment by your superiors for daring to oppose what they see as morally correct.

It would be much more favourably looked upon if you were to submit to the criminal behaviour and become a victim. This would allow the mass media a much greater opportunity to pontificate over the decline in societies moral. It would also grant those persons who stop you from defending yourself, to use your predicament as excuse to further fortify their positions by more and more draconian steps all designed to subjugate the general population.

Lifes a bitch and the sooner you become one of the herd the better.

[mitchilin]

Glad to see this isn't turning into an anti knife kind of thing.People will use what ever falls to hand as a weapon like screwdrivers bottles,jackhandles....There used to be an old adage about running from a knife and grabbing a gun.As far as the police are concerned,if you can justify having the knife theres no real drama.I mean you are not going to take a three inch knife pig hunting are you?I've carried a knife a for years as a tool and don't want to lose that privilage because of bunch of fuckhead kids.

[Brett]

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately it has been decided that you or anyone is in no way allowed to carry as you put it a counter weapon.

It has been decided, by whom I am not too entirely sure, that for you to fight back in any way would contravene the rights of the criminal to pursue their chosen career. If by any chance you actually damaged said criminal you would be guilty of usually a far greater crime and the full force of the law will be brought to bear and to defend yourself you will have to bankrupt yourself and your family. This bankruptcy is deemed a fitting punishment by your superiors for daring to oppose what they see as morally correct.

It would be much more favourably looked upon if you were to submit to the criminal behaviour and become a victim. This would allow the mass media a much greater opportunity to pontificate over the decline in societies moral. It would also grant those persons who stop you from defending yourself, to use your predicament as excuse to further fortify their positions by more and more draconian steps all designed to subjugate the general population.

Lifes a bitch and the sooner you become one of the herd the better.

Rip an aerial off a car near by, they make brilliant defence weapons when used right.

[Mr Merde]

Rip an aerial off a car near by, they make brilliant defence weapons when used right.

So you are advocating vandalism, criminal damage, assault with a weapon and disobediance of the law.

Next you strike the crim and he suffers an injury in the normal course of his occupation, ACC will have to pay out and we will have to foot the bill with greater and greater deductions for the agency from our income.

Our medical resources which we also pay for with our hard earned taxes will be open to the crim so as to restore him/her to as full health as possible so as to enable them to once again partake of their chosen occupation.

As I said ealier it is far better to lay down and take what ever is thrown art you with out recourse to defence. Better for the crim, better for the media, better for the government and financially better for all of us who have to pay for the repairs.

As a victim we\you are on a hiding to nothing. Buggered if you do buggered if you dont. So dont rock the boat. Be a good little citizen and get done over.

[Mekk]

So if these things happen all the time that makes it ok. No thanks, if these things happen all the time then we should be carrying "counter-weapon", whatever they maybe.

I have no idea how you managed to deduce that from what I said.

Please explain why you think carrying more weapons would prevent further stabbings.

[Mikkel]

In all seriousness, what makes you think you could?

Well, I realise that there are situations where you won't see it coming.

I've so far succeeded in avoiding getting into violent confrontations and am hoping to be able to continue that trend.

As for thinking I could take the knife off the guy... I sure hope I'd be able to - but as I said, I wouldn't even consider that option if he seemed to be knowing how to use it.

[ManDownUnder]

I have no idea how you managed to deduce that from what I said.

Please explain why you think carrying more weapons would prevent further stabbings.

On the bright side... the cops will get to practice their tazer use!

"I'm gonna kill you, fucken pig!"

ka ZAPPP-PPP-PPP-PPP-PPP!

[sAsLEX]

I have no idea how you managed to deduce that from what I said.

Please explain why you think carrying more weapons would prevent further stabbings.

Two mags of 9mm through your chest will stop you stabbing me.

[Dargor]

Mr Merde, I understant what your saying, and i understand that in this country in this age the law says that. But remember that gun shop worker who shot the robber. Laws change, and thats one that should.

What ever the law says does not put the crim in the right, and that does not put anyone who defends themselves in the wrong, in my any many others opinions.

If i were being attacked i would defending myself(or run), I would exercise restraint(unlike the guy who killed the tagger). But i am no expert in dealing with those situations (thats the cops job and they cant be everywhere) and i would not accept responsibility for any mistakes I may make. If have not started the attack, It was there choice, their fault.

If that situation turned to shit, and i were in obvious trouble with the coppers, I would run to the media and tell my story. Try to get the public on my side, try to get that law changed pronto.


Mekk. There are more good people than bad people in the country, it democracy, seems to be working, must be.
If everyone had a gun, and everyone were ready to turn it on crims. Then the any crim who was seen robbing dairy's would be shot, this would make every crim think very hard before robbing the dairy.
That and what sAsLEX said would prevent stabbings.

for more info http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?faq=firearms#488.
Im not sure i agree with everything the libertarianz think but they have it right there.