Scooter rider wasted on Dom Rd

[Jimmy B]

I reckon when you buy a scooter the sales person/company should be letting them know/guiding them to safe riding practices as well... then they will never be caught not knowing. Then its a decision to not ride with the right gear.

Was talking to Kerry at Motohaus about this a while back, he sells scoots. Always asks what they plan to wear. One customer said office gear and he invited her to drive along in her boyfreinds car and open the door at 30kph, have a look at the road and then touch it. She did, chickened out on the touching bit, bought the gear, binned the bike, came into to see Kerry for a replacement and to thank him for saving her a lot of pain.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I really don't think you have to be Einstein to figure out some safety gear is needed for a scooter - hell as a kid I had some nasty accidents on my push bike and skateboard - that alone tells my brain something about how to protect myself. I'm blond - but aint bloody stupid.

If one is that bloody stupid that they will only change AFTER an accident, then they deserve what they get.

People are obviously not taught to use their brains, or common sense.

[Str8 Jacket]

People are obviously not taught to use their brains, or common sense.

Of course not, then Uncle Hielen would be out of a job!

[Squiggles]

Have you ever considered that they are just not aware, they wanted a quick, convenient, cheap and in a way “cool” way of getting to work and around town. They are not motorcyclists; they have not been exposed to riding gear, bikes or KB. All they know is that they have to wear a helmet by law.

....Then its a decision to not ride with the right gear.

Agreed, if they choose not to, knowing the potential consequences, thats fine by me, but i would feel sorry for them if they just didnt know better. (Although one can, and somebody will, argue that its common sense)

[Joni]

(Although one can, and somebody will, argue that its common sense)

Yup! But people should keep in mind not everyone thinks the same as they do, what they feel is common sence another wont.

So yeah, I feel sorry for people who are just not aware and get hurt as a result.

[Ragingrob]

I guess it's pretty hard when the entire advertising campaign with scooters around the world involves no protective clothing and in many cases photos with promo girls etc "riding" one without even a helmet...

If we have no tobacco advertising because it kills... then maybe something needs to be done about the way scooter advertising is portrayed.

[motorbyclist]

what i find intruiging is how scooters are perceived safer than bikes at all - compared to bikes, my experiences have shown me scooters are unstable, difficult to bail off, and have notably less effective brakes... so provided you're going the same speed, it's my opinion that a scooter is less safe than the bike by being less likely to avoid an accident, and gear should really be worn to reflect that

but of course, chipseal doesn't care what you're riding.

i got a nice graze on my knee the other week low/highsiding my pocketrocket at 30kph; straight through my jeans without actually making a hole in them. gutted i scuffed up my riding gloves, broke my bike jacket's elbow armour, but really glad i was wearing them

[motorbyclist]

I guess it's pretty hard when the entire advertising campaign with scooters around the world involves no protective clothing and in many cases photos with promo girls etc "riding" one without even a helmet...

If we have no tobacco advertising because it kills... then maybe something needs to be done about the way scooter advertising is portrayed.

reckon if they advertise with riders wearing shoes/jeans and still looking cool/sexy it'd make a difference? probably would imo

[Ragingrob]

reckon if they advertise with riders wearing shoes/jeans and still looking cool/sexy it'd make a difference? probably would imo

Yeah hardout, even if they go as far as advertising Draggin' jeans with them "Protecting jeans with a hot look" kinda thing it may work. Some cordura company should advertise a special "style" range with jackets that are protective but maybe not to the same level as biker jacket, with cool designs and stuff.

All this would promote scooter safety and even could bring in more money to the companies with people buying gear.

I do marketing lol gotta practise with real life situations!

[Marmoot]

Somebody please give this man a medal

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...43&postcount=1

[Finn]

I really don't think you have to be Einstein to figure out some safety gear is needed for a scooter.

Apparently you do...

[sunhuntin]

So maybe your lack of compassion is really callous as she did not know any better?

Just a thought and my opinion... could be completely wrong.

agreed there... i see quite a number of scooter girls come in wearing next to nothing. ill never forget the chick in fluffy elmo-red scuffy-type slippers. will also never forget the girl who tried to talk me into putting lawn mower 2stroke oil in her 50cc. told her to go back to where she bought it from, and she didnt even know that! told her to go find a motorbike shop cos there was no way im putting mower oil in it.
most of em dont seem to know anything beyond helmet and throttle.

worst i see are the ones with helmets that are undone. told one yesterday to be careful taking off due to diesel on the 'court. with an undone chinstrap, i may as well have saved my breath.
the "young" boys over the road got a scoot, and i would often notice them leaving with the strap dangling. i told their mum to tell em if i saw that again id knock their head against the wall... funny, they do it up now... [boys being 5th and 7th forms]

[Grub]

Ok, so I'm as sanctimonious about this as anyone. I see a scoot going past with the rider in work clothes and do a rant to Nasty about it ... BUT .... it's not as obvious as we all make it out to be. Why?

I ride a racing pushbike, I ride it as fast as I can go. Down Ngauranga Gorge I (and other pushbikes) get up over 70kmh, I wear spandex. All pushbikers wear spandex.

So what's with that? Really, if falling off at 50kmh is that bad, all the Tour d'France riders ought to be wearing cordura or leather with proper crash helmets.

Of course that's silly but it just is a heads -up on how we view different modes of 2-wheeled transport in different ways and accept different standards regarding them.

[Str8 Jacket]

I ride a racing pushbike, I ride it as fast as I can go. Down Ngauranga Gorge I (and other pushbikes) get up to 70kmh, I wear spandex. All pushbikers wear spandex.

You really sure you wanted to admit that here? I was so enjoying my cake too...

[motorbyclist]

Ok, so I'm as sanctimonious about this as anyone. I see a scoot going past with the rider in work clothes and do a rant to Nasty about it ... BUT .... it's not as obvious as we all make it out to be. Why?

I ride a racing pushbike, I ride it as fast as I can go. Down Ngauranga Gorge I (and other pushbikes) get up over 70kmh, I wear spandex. All pushbikers wear spandex.

So what's with that? Really, if falling off at 50kmh is that bad, all the Tour d'France riders ought to be wearing cordura or leather with proper crash helmets.

Of course that's silly but it just is a heads -up on how we view different modes of 2-wheeled transport in different ways and accept different standards regarding them.

firstly, tour de france is on closed streets without idiot drivers

secondly, cyclists would die form heat exhaustion wearing even jeans and a jacket

thirdly, who said they didn't get badly hurt?