Hard line on 'taggers'.

[Big Dave]

Yeah, I used to write all my enemies' names on walls in Glasgow.

Would have needed more than 4ltr tin then.

[Jantar]

... Taggers is hardly a major ...
Sorry what an over reacting bunch of bollocks.

Really? Well tell that to someone who has mortgaged themselves to the hilt to landscape and properly fence their property the way they want it. Tagging may be just enough to tip the balance to the extent that they can't afford to immediately clean it up and suddenly the property value has dropped.

Tagging can have a detrimental effect that is way beyond a simple nuisance value. It is vandalism, and should be treated as such. A single tag can cost many thousands to clean up, yet you want to dismiss it as minor. If someone came along and did many thousands of dollars damage to your bike I'm sure you'd be happy for your insurance company to say "its hardly a major, you're over reacting"

[Grahameeboy]

Really? Well tell that to someone who has mortgaged themselves to the hilt to landscape and properly fence their property the way they want it. Tagging may be just enough to tip the balance to the extent that they can't afford to immediately clean it up and suddenly the property value has dropped.

Tagging can have a detrimental effect that is way beyond a simple nuisance value. It is vandalism, and should be treated as such. A single tag can cost many thousands to clean up, yet you want to dismiss it as minor. If someone came along and did many thousands of dollars damage to your bike I'm sure you'd be happy for your insurance company to say "its hardly a major, you're over reacting"

I did not say I agreed with tagging, just that passing a Law to ban aerosol paint cans being sold to under 18's is just silly and and an over reaction.

[FJRider]

They should make it legal and license them all.... Make the talentless pricks go on a fine arts course first..

They'll get a student loan to do it, then never get a job and never pay it back

[Paul in NZ]

Oh now this is a move in the right direction for sure! I'm loving this!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4415314a11.html

Good effort those people!

[JimO]

fucken germans...who won the war anyway

[Finn]

fucken germans...who won the war anyway

The Americans, but we seem to forget that.

[Finn]

This thread reminds me of something...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...t=tagging+finn

[Usarka]

Great news but it annoys me that they've only decided to get tough because a tagger (an offender) was killed as the result of his tagging and not because of all the millions of dollars worth of damage that these cretins have done 'expressing themselves'.

It's because taggers are poor. Labour looks after the poor.

[Swoop]

fucken germans...who won the war anyway

Germany came second.

Twice.

[Ocean1]

Fuck this is so easy it's embarrassing there’s a problem at all.

Register all tagging instances in any given month. Catch a couple of the wee fookers. Divide the culprits by the amount of damage for the month and require ‘em to fix it to the property owners satisfaction.

Sooner or later the message will get through, and in the meantime the solution is self-funding.

Does require the ability to legally hold them responsible for their work, and the fact that that’s the problem is the embarrassing bit.

[Swoop]

Fuck this is so easy it's embarrassing there’s a problem at all.

Does require the ability to legally hold them responsible for their work, and the fact that that’s the problem is the embarrassing bit.

A week or so ago, a mate of mine managed to catch one of two taggers who he saw covering his letterbox. It took 15 seconds to completely cover a white letterbox with a felt pen.
The tagger was caught after a short chase, dragged over a fence and back to the letterbox by his hair, then made to clean it all off with his own shirt and spit.
A short session of beating was entered into, and the tagger fled the scene bleeding.

I think the fucker got off lightly. He now has an appreciation of "being accountable for his actions".

[ManDownUnder]

Sooner or later the message will get through, and in the meantime the solution is self-funding.

Nice! I had a variation on that a while back you reminded me of.

Tagging fine is ... lets say... $500 + clean up your own bloody mess
Reward for a successful prosecution is... Lo! $500!... and totally anonymous!

So if anyone at school wants to make some cash - pot the little bastards!

[Oakie]

Germany came second.

Twice.

So they are probably a good bet for a placing next time around? Does the TAB take bets on wars?
(oops, hijacking my own thread would you believe ... back to the stories of retribution please)

[Conquiztador]

You can beat the taggers, make them clean up, punish them, jail them. But there will be more of them coming. And more and more and...

Why? Because they have no respect for anyones property. They do not care.

And why? Because they have not been taught to respect, to care.

And who is responsible for teaching them to care, to respect? The schools? The police? The court system? Nope. None of those. It is the responsibility of the parents.

But today the parents responsibility has been eroded by legislation, by social laws, by the government. It is OK today to be a failure. We are accepting failure as a norm. We have stopped demanding winners.

If a parent is not feeding their kids. No worries, WINZ will step in
If a parent is not caring about their kids. No worries CYF will step in.

If a child is injured from a fall in a playground it must be the fault of the manufacturer of the playground.

Strange that almost every problem that I see could be solved by the same solution: If everyone in the world would take care of their children we would have no problems.

No, I have no solution here. But to get heavy on the taggers will only create a probelm in another area.

Tagging is only the result of the problem, the part you can see. But that is how we are. If we stop selling paint we think the problem will go away...