650 pro twins...

[Deano]

My point from day one-whats the diff between a pro twins and F3?
(

About a second or two a lap.

There was a BMW motard type of thing in F3 at Paeroa. How did that get through ?

[GSVR]

About a second or two a lap.

There was a BMW motard type of thing in F3 at Paeroa. How did that get through ?

You can run Motards in F3 as long as the handlebars are not over the maximum height.

Oh the difference between F3 and Protwin is thousands of dollars in performance parts and many engine/gearbox rebuilds if I'm not mistaken.

[Keystone19]

I will be shifting to pro-twin for next year. I think the class will grow pretty quickly. Its a cheap way to get into some excellent racing. I'm looking forward to getting my ass whipped in protwin.

F3 is a great class too for the reasons outlined above i.e. rider and bike development. My main reasons for shifting to protwin are financial.

There were at least two Kawasaki's in each round of the Nationals this year. Tom Bos riding exceptionally well on his ER6 and Wiggles on his. Wiggles is F3, Tom is protwin.

[roogazza]

To be honest I'm a bit suprised how few riders are in this class this year and how little support there is for it so far.
does anyone know why?
will be interesting to see what happens to the class over the next year, it'll be make or break time then

+1 on that front ! As Mr Taylor has said , cheap racing !
The fact is , its as cheap as its going to get in the present day ( part from kids on those 150 thingies) I can't see why the class isn't being jumped at ? I stayed in 410 Prod for years , two reasons, it was cheap and real competative ! imagine forty SV's !!!!!!! G.

[johnsv650]

jill will enjoy protwins, the kawasaki in pro twins isn't about 7 hp down, with a new protwin sv in correct protwin rules and a kawasaki within same rules i have seen the sv putting out 71.5hp and the kawasaki puts out 69.5 hp with the kawasaki putting out midrange and the sv putting out better top end.
alot comes down to rider control, set up (roberts advice and knowledge) and tyres, all riders have the same tyres except one........
a few people are in south island are getting protwins for next year and at last club day 3 more arrived.........things grow slowly.
difference between protwin and f3 bike is about 14hp and $10,000.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have looked at building one also. I take the point that it is cheap racing, but there is no such thing as cheap racing.... if you start with a secondhand SV650 you would be out on track having spent $10k, and if you start with something like this and assuming you get it for between $3 and $4k (no one knows if it even RUNS, remember) you would be out for about $6 to $8k depending on what you do about the fuel tank.

Now my NC30 is reliable (dont ask.....) I will stick with it till next summer anyway. THAT is cheap racing.

[oyster]

Pro Twin has a great future, it can cater for the newcomer, the club rider and the rising young stars alike. The technical/cost platform is not too hard
and the results will generally reflect the rider's ability. F3 has a lot of old fragile 10 yr old plus bikes that need replacing, and pro twin bikes are showing already to be more economic and perform better than many of these museum pieces.
There are 2 things that need addressing right now.
1) When Pro Twin came in the rules were quietly announced and hidden away in an antique website. So many people knew nothing about it. What was needed was good old promotiuon and support, not too hard, just some good mag articles and maybe a few top riders prepping and displaying some to encourage people. Not too late, and that's what we need to do this year.
"We" mean clubs, don't wait for MNZ to do it.
2) There will be a lot of tech questions in the first year, and someone needs to there to answer these with confidence. That hasn't happened. At Ruapuna, the opening Nat round there were questions and neither the Steward or the RR commissioner could find the rules until they got a laptop going to download them! And this tech question remains unanswered, despite
protest and appeal. Later, at Manfeild, an obviously non compliant bike took points and a placing when both the rider and steward acknowledged the bike wasn't eligible! This is a disaster for people wanting to join in to see this,
as many said before pro twin was vbrought in, it'll only be another Proddy cheating festival. We hoped they were wrong, but lack of action like this is not a good start....

But, to be positive again, let's all encourage and support the growth of it this year, I'm sure it'll grow to the size and affectiveness of the old Proddy 250 class of years ago. Let's hope so, we NEED it.

[GSVR]

Pro Twin has a great future, it can cater for the newcomer, the club rider and the rising young stars alike. The technical/cost platform is not too hard
and the results will generally reflect the rider's ability.

Good post Oyster. Concerned you didn't just say any riding ability.

So in your eyes does this mean that successful Superbike or Supersport riders will be prevented from racing in this class?. I think in the states if you win a championship in their minitwin class you can't race in it again the following year.

I can see when this gets popular some of the countrys better riders will want some of the action. Who wouldn't its cheap fun and shows rider ability up more so than technical/machinery advantage.

[svr]

Tom Bos rode an ER6 at Manfield (he finished 0.1 sec behind me in 3rd in race 3) and has ridden all the rounds this year.
Grids for pro-twins are pretty disapointing and hard to understand given that its a great class for ageing club racers and young talents alike. It's basically the modern equivalent of 250 production racing which produced hordes of great riders from the late 80's & early 90's.
Hopefully MNZ doesn't can it after one season,
Cookie.

[johnsv650]

so honestly is your bike protwin legal ?
standard cams.....

[svr]

You're funny! - My bike was the oldest shittiest most `standard' fuggin road bike out there! I'd gladly swap for a new SV with racing subframes light bodywork braided lines no lights new pirellis changed by Dad before the first race that I hadnt done a race meeting on + ridden 300kays to the track + practised/qualified on etc, etc.
Nearly as funny as Bos's dad calling me a `cheat' for having black backgrounds on my number plates (/saddlebag scuff protectors).
(nb/ We should put them all on a dyno like production racing everywhere else in the world - my bike makes 70hp exactly)

[nudemetalz]

How do the Hyosung GT650's go in the ProTwins?

[Ivan]

Good post Oyster. Concerned you didn't just say any riding ability.

So in your eyes does this mean that successful Superbike or Supersport riders will be prevented from racing in this class?. I think in the states if you win a championship in their minitwin class you can't race in it again the following year.

I can see when this gets popular some of the countrys better riders will want some of the action. Who wouldn't its cheap fun and shows rider ability up more so than technical/machinery advantage.

I dont think superbike riders should be banned from riding in this class so long as there bikes are to the reals then be it. The class was never designed to be another street stock class for entry class racing...

Not saying you said this but just to get my point clear in case any one miss understands your post.

I think any person regardless of class they currently racein should be aloud so long as there bike preforms to the rules then so be it.

And the idea of if you win the title you arnt aloud to race in it the next year like America, I honestly dont think that will work here the difference is in America you get contingency money to race, here you might be lucky to see 5 seconds of yourself on tv before they show "600's" or "superbike"

[Ivan]

How do the Hyosung GT650's go in the ProTwins?

Yes they are eligable.

They are a cheap option but do not know what they would be look under race conditions

[svr]

Exactly - it didn't hurt Slight, Stroud, Crafar, Dave Cole, Hepburn, Rees etc to race against old hands in 250's - If the kid has any talent he will be able to compete against anyone in NZ on a similar low performance bike.