Motorcyclist dead in Eskdale Rd Glenfield (21 March)

**Nasty** · 25th March 2008, 06:46

Originally Posted by dmw

I have no criminal record niether do my kids none of us have ever been in trouble with the law, I have brought my kids up to respect other people and their property and to hold on to friendship and this is what they are doing Grim was a very good friend and if you did not know him or have facts to back you up, I do not think you have the right to bad mouth him

It appears that the only reason you have joined this site is to defend your friend ... since you only post to this thread and joined after he died .. oh well each to their own.

**Waxxa** · 25th March 2008, 07:02

The prick was either the thief or he knew it was stolen when he bought it!

What was he doing riding at 4am on a stolen bike and disqualified? If he was a good father and family man he would've been at home, in bed with his partner. And as for his 'friends'... littering and drinking in public, intimidating neighbours and tagging/graffeti on the wall, just shows what kind of 'good' person this guy was...NOT!

**marty** · 25th March 2008, 07:14

Originally Posted by Waxxa

The prick was either the thief or he knew it was stolen when he bought it!

What was he doing riding at 4am on a stolen bike and disqualified? If he was a good father and family man he would've been at home, in bed with his partner. And as for his 'friends'... littering and drinking in public, intimidating neighbours and tagging/graffeti on the wall, just shows what kind of 'good' person this guy was...NOT!

and that's it in a nutshell.

**more_fasterer** · 25th March 2008, 09:26

Originally Posted by Waxxa

The prick was either the thief or he knew it was stolen when he bought it!

WTF are you basing this on? Sensationalist media coverage? Or do you have inside knowledge?
The irony of this thread is that if the ZZR wasn't stolen, the KB pitchfork & burning torch brigade would be harping on about the media making bikers look bad; even despite the darwinian nature of his death.

What the pitchfork holders don't know is that this bike was bought by the guy with payment from a painting job - who can say whether he knew it was stolen? Now, probably only the guy who sold it to him.

Don't get me wrong - I am not condoning the actions of a thief. But all the arseholes who are (posthumously) wishing death upon the rider need to count to 10 and have a cup of tea before spouting pious tripe via their keyboard.

Originally Posted by jrandom

The bike in question was stolen on 4 March.

I guess it's entirely possible that the dead guy bought it in good faith, in which case quite a few folk on this thread will need to eat their words.

Originally Posted by jrandom

Absolute rubbish. The bike was stolen, he was riding it. That does not mean that he stole it himself. He may have done, but then again, he may have just been a dumbarse and bought a bike off someone without checking its rego.

The Police have simply said that they're investigating to see whether there's any link between the rider and the theft.

Thank you JR for again trying to ensure that a balance is maintained in a KB thread, no matter how futile this effort may be.

**more_fasterer** · 25th March 2008, 09:31

Dipshit's once again proven the truth of the

**Kittyhawk** · 25th March 2008, 09:44

Originally Posted by more_fasterer

What the pitchfork holders don't know is that this bike was given to the guy for a painting job he did - who can say whether he knew it was stolen? Now, probably only the guy who gave it to him.

Don't get me wrong - I am not condoning the actions of a thief. But all the arseholes who are (posthumously) wishing death upon the rider need to count to 10 and have a cup of tea before spouting pious tripe via their keyboard.

I have to agree. It originally was my first thought, did he steal it or not? Hence my previous post on page 1.

Ok stealing is breaking the law, but, anyone who breaks the law should loose their life over it? How bout when we take our bikes over the speed limit just that once on that perfect stretch of road when no one is around? Should we incur the death penalty??

There are far too many unanswered questions, so what gives us the right to assume and speculate about something we dont know about. Leave it to the professionals. That's what they are there for.

Most are only basing this on what they hear from the media, and they dont always get it right.

Peer pressure in regards to the alcohol consumption could have played a factor..

Just let it go.. I feel sorry for the kids...you cant replace your biological dad no matter how hard someone else tries to forfull the role. The kids will grow up and will forever wonder about him.

**ManDownUnder** · 25th March 2008, 09:48

Originally Posted by dipshit

Any sympathy I would feel, would be greatly outweighed by the pissed off feelings of having my bike stolen.

What exactly is the problem you fuckwits have with that?

THAT's the problem - perspective.

Originally Posted by dipshit

Were you little crims yourselves at one time? Are your kids little shits and are always in trouble with the law? Is this why you find such an attitude shocking?

Nope. I'm not perfect and I'm the first to admit it. You're saying you are?

My kids all know they'd be escorted to the cop shop by me personally if they ever did this shit, but anyone wishing a death sentence on them would have to get past me.

I'm a nice guy day to day, but DON'T push that button.

**Waxxa** · 25th March 2008, 09:53

Who in their right mind would buy a bike with no paper work? or accept a bike as payment for painting something? Bullshit!!

This guy is/was dodgy from the beginning! as is the so called 'friends' who have exhibited their loutish behaviour (people tend to associate with like minded people). If the bike was legit, why speed away from the cops (and he didnt know that the cops were going to a burglery and not after him)) so he knew something about the bike wasnt right. Even though he was disqualified, rather than stop for the cops for this infraction and take the fine or whatever, he was off!

If he didnt buy/accept the bike or stayed at home he would be alive today! Simple!

Sorry more fasterer, but its not media hype.

**Nasty** · 25th March 2008, 10:17

Originally Posted by Waxxa

Who in their right mind would buy a bike with no paper work? or accept a bike as payment for painting something? Bullshit!!

This guy is/was dodgy from the beginning! as is the so called 'friends' who have exhibited their loutish behaviour (people tend to associate with like minded people). If the bike was legit, why speed away from the cops (and he didnt know that the cops were going to a burglery and not after him)) so he knew something about the bike wasnt right. Even though he was disqualified, rather than stop for the cops for this infraction and take the fine or whatever, he was off!

If he didnt buy/accept the bike or stayed at home he would be alive today! Simple!

Sorry more fasterer, but its not media hype.

So many people on this site have started threads .. my bike has been repossessed ... for someone elses debt ... so alot of people buy bikes without checking .. they get burnt once and then learn. The cops were NOT following him and from what I read going a different direction - you and no one knows his throught processes .. so best to leave that alone as well.

**dipshit** · 25th March 2008, 10:31

Originally Posted by dmw

I have no criminal record niether do my kids none of us have ever been in trouble with the law, I have brought my kids up to respect other people and their property and to hold on to friendship and this is what they are doing Grim was a very good friend and if you did not know him or have facts to back you up, I do not think you have the right to bad mouth him

What about Grim though? Was he an little angel in the eyes of the police?

**marty** · 25th March 2008, 10:34

Originally Posted by more_fasterer

What the pitchfork holders don't know is that this bike was given to the guy for a painting job he did - who can say whether he knew it was stolen? Now, probably only the guy who gave it to him.
.

so dmw (who appears to know this guy) saying that he bought the bike the day before is wrong? she declared how she knew him - how did you?

**JimO** · 25th March 2008, 10:40

wether the bike was stolen or the guy was a crim or not doesnt give the people gathering there the right to vandalise the wall with their childish scribbles

**marty** · 25th March 2008, 10:42

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

I have to agree. It originally was my first thought, did he steal it or not? Hence my previous post on page 1.

Ok stealing is breaking the law, but, anyone who breaks the law should loose their life over it?

he didn't die because he stole the bike. he died because he made some (or many) stupid decisions - read up about James Reason, and his model of 'swiss cheese', how many smaller decisions and actions line up to create a final (fatal) action.

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

Peer pressure in regards to the alcohol consumption could have played a factor..

what, so now it's not his fault? that is the biggest cop-out statement on this thread. unfortunately the reality is it's the reason the NZ justice system is in such a mess.

**Kittyhawk** · 25th March 2008, 10:45

Originally Posted by marty

he didn't die because he stole the bike. he died because he made some (or many) stupid decisions - read up about James Reason, and his model of 'swiss cheese', how many smaller decisions and actions line up to create a final (fatal) action.

what, so now it's not his fault? that is the biggest cop-out statement on this thread. unfortunately the reality is it's the reason the NZ justice system is in such a mess.

Nope didnt specifically say it was his fault, but there are a number of negative inputs which has created a fatal output.