Blipping the throttle on downshifts?

[onearmedbandit]

Bingo...!!

I don't care whether riders have chicken strips or not, each of us rides differently and for different reasons. However I do expect when someone is making claims about their bikes handling in comparison to another that they are both pushing their bikes abilities, so actually working the suspension/chassis etc. Seeing strips like that on both of your bikes, do you still feel that your initial claim in the thread I linked the quote from carries any water? Or do you guys actually push the bikes hard on the road, leaving no performance envelope unpushed, and just both have new tyres on your steeds? Honest question. It's like saying that your CBR250 is quicker in a straight line than an R1, but we both don't use full throttle.

[dipshit]

How many times must I repeat to you that I'm quite a n00b? Heck, I haven't even had my full bike licence for a year yet. I wouldn't have been so chuffed about getting my knee down at that trackday unless that was the case, would I?

Well then Mr noob who hasn't had their full licence for a year yet... Good street riding skills isn't defined by how far you lean over in corners or how long a wheelie you can pull.

The only thing that matters is that you get to where you are going without throwing your bike down the road. Everything else is BS.

[Usarka]

Well then Mr noob who hasn't had their full licence for a year yet... Good street riding skills isn't defined by how far you lean over in corners or how long a wheelie you can pull.

The only thing that matters is that you get to where you are going without throwing your bike down the road. Everything else is BS.

So there is absolutely no street riding skill difference between riders who consistently get to their destination intact?

[dipshit]

do you still feel that your initial claim in the thread I linked the quote from carries any water? Or do you guys actually push the bikes hard on the road, leaving no performance envelope unpushed,

Street riding in the real world does not involve pushing the performance envelope of large modern road bikes that much. Therefore the difference between a cheap as chips SV or a Öhlins equipped Ducati on public roads isn't as great as the specifications or race track use would suggest.

Traffic, police, unknown road conditions around the next corner kick in way before the limits of the bikes do.

[dipshit]

So there is absolutely no street riding skill difference between riders who consistently get to their destination intact?

Well that is the only one that matters. No one is standing there waiting for you with a chequered flag and stopwatch, so therefore how quickly you get to where you are going doesn't count. Keeping yourself and your bike (and hopefully your licence) in one piece so you can do it again tomorrow, does.

[007XX]

I got a Vtwin...of course I bloody do it!!!

It ain't no fun otherwise...

PS: In tunnels it's especially luuuurrrvely!!

[Badjelly]

I got a Vtwin...of course I bloody do it!!!

Yes, but my cylinder is bigger than yours!

[Usarka]

Well that is the only one that matters. No one is standing there waiting for you with a chequered flag and stopwatch, so therefore how quickly you get to where you are going doesn't count. Keeping yourself and your bike (and hopefully your licence) in one piece so you can do it again tomorrow, does.

Reacting to emergencies often calls on using skills above the competency required for commuting and cruising at legal speeds.

Knowing how far you can lean for example can be the difference between life and death if things go pear shaped. (humans do make mistakes, the big fuck ups are usually a series of mistakes)

Sure a lot of this should be learned at trackdays or advanced tuition, but most riders don't have access to this, or can't afford, or feel intimidated because they ride a 1980's commuter.

Regardless, skills required to keep it upright when things do go wrong are very important for street riding (imho).

[007XX]

Yes, but my cylinder is bigger than yours!

mebbe...but I know how to use mine to better effect! and that's a fact...

[Usarka]

Yes, but my cylinder is bigger than yours!

mebbe...but I know how to use mine to better effect! and that's a fact...

cylinders dont want to be too big anyway lest theres leakage around the piston.......

[onearmedbandit]

Street riding in the real world does not involve pushing the performance envelope of large modern road bikes that much. Therefore the difference between a cheap as chips SV or a Öhlins equipped Ducati on public roads isn't as great as the specifications or race track use would suggest.

Traffic, police, unknown road conditions around the next corner kick in way before the limits of the bikes do.

Oh I see. Would've been nice if you had included that disclaimer in your original claim that your mate on his 998 struggled to keep up with your thou. But then your statement wouldn't have had as much effect would it? What you should have really said was 'My friend on his 998 is a lot more cautious then me so struggles to keep up in the twisties, note however this does not mean that the SV is a better handling bike than an Ohlins equipped 998'.

Nah, doesn't have the same effect does it.

[007XX]

cylinders dont want to be too big anyway lest theres leakage around the piston.......

Right size piston + right timing + just right amount of oil = perfection in Doof Doof

Ok, enough now...It makes me want to go for a ride

[ManDownUnder]

Well then Mr noob who hasn't had their full licence for a year yet...

Oh my God I was wrong - you are the man! You tell 'im!

[Ocean1]

You're missing my point, ManDownUnder. I agree entirely about the effect blipping the throttle (aka synchronising engine speed) has when you re-engage the clutch, but it's my impression that it also improves the actual gearchange (ie disengaging one gear & engaging the next).

It does, it's not just the crank that you're syncronising revs with re the back wheel, it's the complete drivetrain. The most relevant bit of which is the dogs on the side of the "target" gear which ideally need to be spinning at the same revs as the gates they're about to engage with.

The "CLUNK" you hear when you don't match revs is exactly that, the dogs taking a hammering when they engage. That, and the shifter drum, which is under far more load.

[Warr]

It does, it's not just the crank that you're syncronising revs with re the back wheel, it's the complete drivetrain. The most relevant bit of which is the dogs on the side of the "target" gear which ideally need to be spinning at the same revs as the gates they're about to engage with.

The "CLUNK" you hear when you don't match revs is exactly that, the dogs taking a hammering when they engage. That, and the shifter drum, which is under far more load.

Completely agree with you Ocean1.
If you want to shorten the life of the drive-train just carry on hammering through the changes.
You will eventually wonder why you have trouble with certain gears.
Its all the rounded edges on the gear dogs and the bent selector forks paying you back!
I always up the revs when changing down just as I do the other when changing up.