Motorcyclist dead in Eskdale Rd Glenfield (21 March)

[dipshit]

This is what I have been trying to point out I was a little more subbtle perhaps that does not pay off on here but I agree totally

You still didn't answer my question. Was Grim a little angel as far as the police were concerned?

[ManDownUnder]

You still didn't answer my question. Was Grim a little angel as far as the police were concerned?

'ang on - you're saying you don't have all the facts????

[SixPackBack]

Amasing... yet again, a whole thread dedicated to the musings of the masses fiercly arguing their point
* unwilling to acknowledge they may not be in possession of all the facts
* unwilling to ask if there is another side to the story
* unwilling to show sympathy to innocents affected by the death of a man

... etc ...

Calling this guy every name under the sun and not even being willing to offer sympathy or help is fucking retarded.

One question for you all - do you know (I'm not talking assume... I mean black and white, "level of proof required for certainty")... do we actually KNOW this guy stole the bike?

If you do, please back up your claim with some factual evidence. Not hearsay, not guilty by association, not assumptions... I want proof. Until we have all the facts (think that'll ever happen?) I suggest you lot drink a big old cup of shut the fuck up until all sides of the story are known.

To quote dipshit - Jesus H Christ on a pony.... there's a ton of smoke in here but no bastard's been able to work out if there actually was a fire... or if it's just friction from all the wanking.

Right behind you on this one Nigel. One of the most disgusting displays of collective stupidity ever witnessed on KB. A man died for fucks sake and you wankers are arguing about stolen property and graffiti...get some perspective.

[Patrick]

I have news!

One of the fine members on here - Chrislost - was apparently one of the dudes at the "vigil" or party that got broken up by the cops.

He sent me a nice red bling that read: deleted by Jantar for this post here:


Maybe he could explain the event clearly to us, as he was apparently friends with the dead guy.

He has dished out a bit of red on this story lately, I got some too for my post number 80 in the other thread ("Bike stolen in Herne Bay" thread, and if I knew how to paste it onto here, I would...). The red went like this:

private quote deleted by Jantar

WTF?????

I am still lost as to why it was given red... his reply to my query on this is just as vague... This gem suddenly explains a bit about his calibre with his red to you...

Still, awaiting his reply to your query....

[WelshWizard]

Post 4

We will have to wait and see if he is the one who stole it or not.

Post 6
sitting on the fence

I think it was reported as being a stolen bike. prick got what he deserved if it was stolen.

If its not true that it was a stolen bike, then it is sad news

Post 7
a bit of sanity

Got what he deserved?...are we sure about that?....stealing a bike is worth the death penalty-I think not!

post 27
the start of reasoning

The bike in question was stolen on 4 March.

I guess it's entirely possible that the dead guy bought it in good faith, in which case quite a few folk on this thread will need to eat their words.

post 28

Absolute rubbish. The bike was stolen, he was riding it. That does not mean that he stole it himself. He may have done, but then again, he may have just been a dumbarse and bought a bike off someone without checking its rego.

The Police have simply said that they're investigating to see whether there's any link between the rider and the theft.

post 32
when you are into vintage and veteren bikes many are de reg and have no paperwork other than a reciept, or when bought through Trademe a saved printout of the auction.

+1

It is possible to buy bikes and cars only to find out later that they are not legit!

And yes it is possible treat offenders and for them not to reoffend again!!

post37

Yes the great media are always right ARN'T THEY, If they did print the truth how many papers would they sell I wonder.

I would have thought that people would by now realise that newpapers need to sell and therefore they like to 'spice' things up to get something sensational to sell.

I do not see anything wrong with people going to celebrate the life of a lost friend. My sympathies are with you and all that knew him.

post 41

probably closer to the truth than any other comment about KBers

KB members can steal bikes to.


we all make dum mistakes, no one need pay their life for it, I would be dead 10 times over if I payed for my mistakes in death, particulary in the 80's

RIP

post 51
Sanity

No evidence the feller who crashed had stolen the bike.

It would be wise to presume innocence on his behalf until otherwise proven.

Regardless of the circumstances someone is dead, a bike is trashed and a family mourns.

Some of you guys need to get a life.

I could go on and on,

As I said in post #4
we will have to wait and see,

until then every person has the right to be innocent untill proven guilty, if no proof, the he must be presumed innocent.

God help any one who is innocent and is charged with a crime in this country if the jury is made up of people with the attitudes that are shown in this thread.
I was a supporter of Bringing back hanging but you have convinced me to change my mind, to many innocent people would die because the jury would have a verdict before any trail.

As for the Graf on the wall, from what I can see from the photo post 131

.............

they are messages, no different from the crosses placed at the side of roads where some one died, only difference being they are on a brick wall which to be repaired will have to be demolished, the bricks that come down would be some thing from the riders partner to cherish as part of his memory.


Besides if the owner of the wall objected why would he not remove the Vivid that is on top of the wall

Not all KBers are baying hounds

So I will say

Rest in peace, my condolances to the next of kin.

[WelshWizard]

Amasing... yet again, a whole thread dedicated to the musings of the masses fiercly arguing their point
* unwilling to acknowledge they may not be in possession of all the facts
* unwilling to ask if there is another side to the story
* unwilling to show sympathy to innocents affected by the death of a man

... etc ...

Calling this guy every name under the sun and not even being willing to offer sympathy or help is fucking retarded.

One question for you all - do you know (I'm not talking assume... I mean black and white, "level of proof required for certainty")... do we actually KNOW this guy stole the bike?

If you do, please back up your claim with some factual evidence. Not hearsay, not guilty by association, not assumptions... I want proof. Until we have all the facts (think that'll ever happen?) I suggest you lot drink a big old cup of shut the fuck up until all sides of the story are known.

To quote dipshit - Jesus H Christ on a pony.... there's a ton of smoke in here but no bastard's been able to work out if there actually was a fire... or if it's just friction from all the wanking.

My final words are I concur with ManDownUnder above

[Gubb]

The Police, the Media, and the Evidence seem to think otherwise.

After re-reading the entire thread again, I must say, my original comment was pretty horrendous, and for that I am sorry. Somewhat caught up in the hype, i'm the first to admit that I was caught up on the bandwagon (it always seems like a good idea at the time). Now with a little more clarity, and a little more perspective I can see that I was jumping to conclusions based solely on my personal experiences of having personal possessions stolen and destroyed. Emotions run high.

JRandom, ManDownUnder, SixPackBack, WelshWizard: Thank You for putting forth clear, concise arguments. I didn't know the guy, I don't know how he came into contact with the bike. For all I know, he could be an axe-murderer, or a stand up guy. Not for me to decide.

Whether he stole the bike, or not, whether he did a runner, or not, whether he should have been riding, or not, he still left an innocent family behind.

[MIXONE]

Takes a big man to say he's wrong or admit a mistake HubbaGubba.Well done.

[MyGSXF:Me]

Right behind you on this one Nigel. One of the most disgusting displays of collective stupidity ever witnessed on KB. A man died for fucks sake and you wankers are arguing about stolen property and graffiti...get some perspective.

yep.. x2

RIP to the rider & thoughts go to his family & friends! I would hazard a guess & say that they will be spinning in their own private nightmare at the moment!

[sunhuntin]

As for the Graf on the wall, from what I can see from the photo post 131

they are messages, no different from the crosses placed at the side of roads where some one died, only difference being they are on a brick wall which to be repaired will have to be demolished, the bricks that come down would be some thing from the riders partner to cherish as part of his memory.


Besides if the owner of the wall objected why would he not remove the Vivid that is on top of the wall

Not all KBers are baying hounds

So I will say

Rest in peace, my condolances to the next of kin.

the wall... fine, since it seems the owner gave his permission. but photos posted yesterday or the day before show writing on the white lines on the road. theres no way thats ok, since permission would not have been given for that. and the crosses are there as a reminder to drive safe [though the message doesnt get through]

[Patrick]

I have news!

One of the fine members on here - Chrislost - was apparently one of the dudes at the "vigil" or party that got broken up by the cops.

He sent me a nice red bling that read: ...... for this post here:


Maybe he could explain the event clearly to us, as he was apparently friends with the dead guy.

He has dished out a bit of red on this story lately, I got some too for my post number 80 in the other thread ("Bike stolen in Herne Bay" thread, and if I knew how to paste it onto here, I would...). The red went like this:

"......."

WTF?????

I am still lost as to why it was given red... his reply to my query on this is just as vague... This gem suddenly explains a bit about his calibre with his red to you...

Still, awaiting his reply to your query....

And now I get red on this one too... With this little pearler... "........." Doesn't quite explain the situation well as asked, but I guess he is trying....

C'mon Chrislost...

HTFU and enlighten as Steam has politely asked... Let us know what the story is.... Send red again if ya must....

[ElCoyote]

Right behind you on this one Nigel. One of the most disgusting displays of collective stupidity ever witnessed on KB. A man died for fucks sake and you wankers are arguing about stolen property and graffiti...get some perspective.

Lets indeed get some perspective, the deceased was riding a stolen motorcycle, at an hour when respectable "family members" were at home, and spooked when a Police vehicle caused him (without reason) to accelerate and fail to take a corner. A licensed rider who had sat all the revelvant tests would have been able to control his vehicle and emotions at which point this tragedy would have not occured.

The actions of his so called friends, of whom I class you as one, due to to you trying to defend the indefensinble is a disgrace. I wish he had a pillion atv the time but exactly which arsehole it would be is far too big a decision to make as the majotity support what happened and are also property owners

Pretend your dickhead mate died outside my house and try your pathetic antics here. Hey guys.............open invitation.........reap what you sow

[Gubb]

A licensed rider who had sat all the revelvant tests would have been able to control his vehicle and emotions at which point this tragedy would have not occured.

After my last post in here, I can understand where you are coming from, but I can't see how sitting a Basic Handling Skills Test would help you control your emotions.

I know plenty of people with full bike licenses that do stupid things, and runners from the cops. Having your license, or being a disqualified driver has nothing to do with your ability to handle emotions, or control your vehicle. In fact, many of the people I know who have been disqualified are much more adept at handling a bike than me (not saying much there though) because they can do it well (and relatively safely) at high speed. Their only problem, is that they choose to do it on empty (well, except for that one cop car) public roads.

I'm not defending this guy, but no-one has the whole picture yet. I decided to back off until all the facts were in (not hearsay), before I made my judgement.

[ManDownUnder]

One question for you all - do you know (I'm not talking assume... I mean black and white, "level of proof required for certainty")... do we actually KNOW this guy stole the bike?

Lets indeed get some perspective, the deceased was riding a stolen motorcycle

Indeed, perspective would be nice. Exactly how do you know the bike was stolen? Evidence would be nice.... please feel free to share.

A licensed rider who had sat all the revelvant tests would have been able to control his vehicle and emotions at which point this tragedy would have not occured.

A good point - there may have been extenuating circumstances though... who knows - emotions, diesel on the road, drink driving... lots of things.

Again... please fill in the blanks for me here. I assume you do have all the facts...?

The actions of his so called friends, of whom I class you as one, due to to you trying to defend the indefensinble is a disgrace. I wish he had a pillion atv the time but exactly which arsehole it would be is far too big a decision to make as the majotity support what happened and are also property owners

So you're calling me an arsehole, and wishing I'd been on the back of the bike because I'm standing up saying I don't know all the facts therefore I can't establish his guilt or otherwise... I don't think anyone else is in a different position to me but if they are I'd like them to educate us all?

Pretend your dickhead mate died outside my house and try your pathetic antics here. Hey guys.............open invitation.........reap what you sow

If a man died outside your house I'd be doing exactly the same, for exactly the same reasons. I do reap what I sow, have done so for years and I'm enjoying the crop of friends around me.

... you're not surrounded by short sighted judgemental bigots are you?

[ElCoyote]

Indeed, perspective would be nice. Exactly how do you know the bike was stolen? Evidence would be nice.... please feel free to share.



A good point - there may have been extenuating circumstances though... who knows - emotions, diesel on the road, drink driving... lots of things.





So you're calling me an arsehole, and wishing I'd been on the back of the bike because I'm standing up saying I don't know all the facts therefore I can't establish his guilt or otherwise... I don't think anyone else is in a different position to me but if they are I'd like them to educate us all?




If a man died outside your house I'd be doing exactly the same, for exactly the same reasons. I do reap what I sow, have done so for years and I'm enjoying the crop of friends around me.

... you're not surrounded by short sighted judgemental bigots are you?

Let's start at the end shall we. Surrounded by short sighted judgmental bigots, negatori just the majority of folks with a social concience. You know the average Ma and Pa you grew up with, or didn't, in which case your post makes sense.

Your reference to a man dying outside my house is a non sequitur. If a dickhead splattered himself against my wall on on a road where anything less than incompetence was involved I would personally disable anybody who thougt that celebrating that arseholes life was a worthy response. AND I would seek recompense for the damage that arsehole caused. TO THE BITTER END. Amen.

As for wishing you on the back let me quantify that statement. I do not believe that the bike was bought without knowning it was stolen. If the rider was blameless (in any area) he would have not tried to outrun the Police. Had he been licenced and competent on a bike this tragedy would not have happened. Even licensed (if that was the case) he made a bad call and the cure was worse than the disease.

If you condone the actions of his "mates" with their wanton vandilsim of the neighbourhood then YES I wish you had been on the back. What better way to grow up than to be confronted with your own mortality.

If you have difficulty with this then PLEASE attempt to steal my bike or graffiti my property and perhaps we will then be reading off the same page and hopefully your intravenous tubes will allow you to hear me.