Please don't kill off the two strokes!

[henry]

Really? You think you can get a 4 stroke to produce over 100 HP in a package that small and light?

If you read what I wrote, I didn't say anything of the sort so where did you get that from? It's pretty hard to tell the HP, weight and size from a photo.

And if I'm not wrong...there are PLENTY of four stroke road racing classes about mate...it's just that nearly ALL of the guys doing the business at the mo happen to have come from 250 2 strokes.

Yeah, because it's run by the same company so it's a natural progression. And GP bikes are completely different from Superbikes or production stuff.

Next question.

I didn't ask any questions. Maybe you have me mistaken for some one else.

Hey, I've been a two stroke fan as long as I've been riding and I'd love to see them still on the road, but it isn't going to happen unless the yanks change their tune. Seems OK to have SUVs gussling all the gas but two strokes are bad?

The biggest worry is what it's going to do to bike racing. Four strokes are just to damn expensive to keep running so where is all the new talent going to come from.

[slowpoke]

Here's the beautiful and flawed Bimota V-Due. What a pity.

As much as I'd love one in my garage, it's not gonna win any beauty contests....those pipes are a travesty.

[steved]

Funny how todays best Moto GP racers ALL have 250 two stroke experience eh?

Nicky Hayden?

[Capinure]

big ball riders ride two stroke , holy crap 500cc 2 strokes ... sexiest things ever

[Sully60]

Nicky Hayden?

Nicky raced 250GP in the States as well flat track and production four strokes so I think that's rather a moot point.

CFWB has a point though if you've ever ridden a 250GP bike you'd know what he's on about. Nothing has the experience of a crisp powerfull two stroke at full throttle hooking gears.

As a well know Wellington two stroke nutter would say,
Waaaaaaaah!

[Badjelly]

Seems OK to have SUVs gussling all the gas but two strokes are bad?

The thing is that, although SUVs may guzzle gas, they don't actually pump 30% of their fuel-air mixture straight out the exhaust, unburned, like a carburetted two-stroke.

But this thread is about nostalgia and what-ifs, isn't it, not a balanced assessment of the environmental pros and cons of 2 strokes. If you wanted to debate that you'd use this thread:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=69190

[Crasherfromwayback]

Back the fucking truck up a minute...

What has the engine got to do with the way a bike looks? Apart from the expansion chamber that KTM could be anything.

And the reason all the MotoGP guys used to be 250 two stoke riders is because that's the GP training class. If the 250 class was four stroke then they'd all be four stroke guys.

Well like you said..."Expansion chamber"...

If you read what I wrote, I didn't say anything of the sort so where did you get that from? It's pretty hard to tell the HP, weight and size from a photo.



Yeah, because it's run by the same company so it's a natural progression. And GP bikes are completely different from Superbikes or production stuff.

So because like you, I can see the "Expansion chamber", I therefore KNOW it's a 2 stroke hence light, powerfull and incredibly sexy to ride.

Now the racing bit. The fact that they are run by the same company has got NOTHING to do with it mate. James Toseland and Colin Edwards came via Superbikes. So did a certain Mick Doohan, Wayne Rainey and Revin Kevin.

The simple fact now seems to be that a modern Moto GP bike is far closer to ride to a 'proper' (as 250GP bike) to ride than a wobbly old (comparatively speaking) Superbike. The old days of the ex flatrack and superbike boys sliding them wildly have gone for now...so the ex 250 guys that carry silly corner speed with precise lines are currently doing the business.

Any further questions?

[montsta56]

I For One am not going to stand by an watch 2 stroke's dissapear, So I've slowly bein buying up every NSR part I can Find. An have started A Race Bike project Which has already cost me way to much money. But I dont think there is anything as purposeful an beautiful as a race bike An a 2 stroke one is the Pinnacle. IMHO.

[limbimtimwim]

Thats hondas only have been using in moto gp for a few years now.

Have you clicked it is not a Honda yet?

[Coyote]

The biggest worry is what it's going to do to bike racing. Four strokes are just to damn expensive to keep running so where is all the new talent going to come from.

Rich cunts. Not that it'll be a change, all the talent has been spoilt kids racing since they could walk.

If you're not born on a bike, abandon all hope of racing at the top international levels.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rich cunts. Not that it'll be a change, all the talent has been spoilt kids racing since they could walk.

If you're not born on a bike, abandon all hope of racing at the top international levels.

Not true. I know quite a few personally that blow that theory into the weeds.

[Coyote]

Not true. I know quite a few personally that blow that theory into the weeds.

Sebastian Loeb of WRC fame was a late starter, so I know it's not the rule.

However it's still very true. I even consider myself a lucky spoilt brat since I got to start when I was 13 on the dirt. Difficult time to learn to ride when you have 5 year olds jumping over you.

[spudchucka]

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E-tecs are a pile of wank and will probably explode once their warranty expires.

Though the performance is good.

Hmmm, interesting thoughts there. My E-tec hasn't turned into anything remotely resembling a pile of wank yet, in fact it lives up to the hype 100%.

[spudchucka]

about the only issue with them is that they seem to go through double the oil compared to most other models of engine.

Negative if you have it set up to run the XD100 synthetic oil, in fact they use f*&k all oil. If you know anyone with an E-Tec that's consuming bulk oil tell them to get it into their dealer and have it re-programmed.

[Pumba]

Negative if you have it set up to run the XD100 synthetic oil, in fact they use f*&k all oil. If you know anyone with an E-Tec that's consuming bulk oil tell them to get it into their dealer and have it re-programmed.

This was a the owner of Hamiltons Rollos Marine (Hamilton OMC and Yamaha dealer for donkeys years up untill last year or the year before when they got told to make a choice one way or the other and went with Yamaha) own boat, hey maybee it was a sign he was cheating better than the rest of us