Sick and tired of Cullen

[Hinny]

When a gubbinment runs something, the overheads are astronomical.

And the evidence to support this proposition is?

[forkoil]

And the evidence to support this proposition is?

1) NZ Rail prior to sale - got a few parts for my old Norton Commando machined by a mate in the Railway Workshops in Petone, so I'm guilty of complicity.

[Hinny]

1) NZ Rail prior to sale - got a few parts for my old Norton Commando machined by a mate in the Railway Workshops in Petone, so I'm guilty of complicity.

On site training. Just like the flyboys fanging around in their hairy buzzers. You can't be any good without practice.
Another benefit to the taxpayers of this country. Imagine it being privately owned. They would have charged you and the profits would have gone offshore. Not a good outcome for you and not for the country as a whole.
Don't beat yourself up. You did a good thing.

[idleidolidyll]

Mate, why do you always seem to attack the person, not the argument???

One person's view is just as valid as yours, but you continue to 'ad hominem' as if there is no tomorrow?

Just curious.

perhaps its because the concepts are so simple yet the dimwits persist in ignoring the obvious.

money doesn't come from nowhere, who's gonna lose out if national rapes the purse of $50,000,000,000 to pay for tax cuts?

That's right, the poor, the underprivileged, the ordinary Kiwi who'll see everything else sold or shortchanged.

Those who will benefit will be the usual national buddy suspects: foreign businesses, the very rich, themselves, their mates.

Rape NZ! Elect National!

[idleidolidyll]

50 Billion? I think you have a few orders of magnitude out here.

Nope, Labour has STATED that the tax cuts will cost about $10,000,000,000 over 3 years. National promised tax cuts up to 5x larger.

It aint rocket science.

So tell me, where is that 50 billion coming from?

Sure makes the 1 billion to settle Treaty claims look miniscule..................

[idleidolidyll]

Don't even go there.

He only logs in to to bear witness to his intellectual genius and mock anyone who doesn't reach his lofty standards of existentialist masturbation.

i'd have thought a post with no topical content, only a blatant personal attack, was masturbation

perhaps you think it's a valid argument

perhaps you don't have what it takes to debate

[idleidolidyll]

Thanks Jim2, pretty much confirmed what I was thinking...

Sad really.

PS, you've made an assumption here that he has intellectual genius. That, my friend, is a matter of opinion.

yeah, it takes WAY more intelligence to ignore the topic completely, ignore the points raised and argument offered and merely post a pure personal attack

ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO!

[idleidolidyll]

50 Billion? I think you have a few orders of magnitude out here. Let us say that there is 2 million tax payers in NZ, and we will assume that public servants are taxpayers as are WFF beneficiaries. They are not net taxpayers, but for the purposes...
at $50 each, that is $100 million. Not even 10% of Cullens new train set.
Now given that the GST rise on petrol, due to rising prices has reclaimed at least $20 per week for most people, not to mention the increased tax take on everything else due to inflation, it is no where anywhere near that much.
I bet I could find those savings - dump the humans righs commission, waitangi tribunal, families commission, minsitry of womens affairs, ministry of racing, around 200 spin doctors from helen's office for starters.

thanks for at least trying

now given that the 'tiny' Labour tax cuts are gonna cost 10 billion and the much larger National cuts would cost 5x as much; please go back and find another 49.9 billion dollars

remember, if there's a carrot dangling in front of you; there's probably a stick somewhere behind

[Robert Taylor]

perhaps its because the concepts are so simple yet the dimwits persist in ignoring the obvious.

money doesn't come from nowhere, who's gonna lose out if national rapes the purse of $50,000,000,000 to pay for tax cuts?

That's right, the poor, the underprivileged, the ordinary Kiwi who'll see everything else sold or shortchanged.

Those who will benefit will be the usual national buddy suspects: foreign businesses, the very rich, themselves, their mates.

Rape NZ! Elect National!

The obvious is that the Labour Government and their looney mates have deliberately over time perpetuated dependency and a perverse money go round that has a sizable amount squandered in admin costs. MUCH lower taxes and a sizable reduction in the civil service might actually create REAL and productive employment.
But I wouldnt know as Im just another tory dimwit who dares to express a viewpoint that is different to yours, and by your definition incorrect.
Feel free to respond with a foul mouthed diatribe if that smokes your tyres.

[idleidolidyll]

With the outrageous price of fuel now I think my fuel bill will go up $180 this week with going to the Busta Gut.
Thanks to George Bush,his bunch of Neocons and their war profits.
Screw the world though superior fire power.
Interesting that both Clinton and Obama have talked about taxing these profiteers on their war profits. Will either of them get the chance?

Well said; much of the problem with the world economy lies squarely at the feet of the terrorist US Govt and its wars of aggression and greed (blood money)

[idleidolidyll]

The obvious is that the Labour Government and their looney mates have deliberately over time perpetuated dependency and a perverse money go round that has a sizable amount squandered in admin costs. MUCH lower taxes and a sizable reduction in the civil service might actually create REAL and productive employment.
But I wouldnt know as Im just another tory dimwit who dares to express a viewpoint that is different to yours, and by your definition incorrect.
Feel free to respond with a foul mouthed diatribe if that smokes your tyres.

I'm sorry, looney conspiracy theories are just plain hilarious.

Don't look over your shoulder, Helen's watching...............(X Files conspiracy music plays quietly as I leave)

[Robert Taylor]

I'm sorry, looney conspiracy theories are just plain hilarious.

Don't look over your shoulder, Helen's watching...............(X Files conspiracy music plays quietly as I leave)

Well at least youve learnt something, less expletives and aggression in your posts......................

[James Deuce]

i'd have thought a post with no topical content, only a blatant personal attack, was masturbation

perhaps you think it's a valid argument

perhaps you don't have what it takes to debate

I haven't seen you debate yet, nor have I seen you "argue" in a manner that is informative, thought provoking, nor a personal attack in response to one of you "victims" shrugging their shoulders and rolling their eyes.

Have you not heard? "Middle" NZ has had quite enough of being told they're thick by intellectuals with a socialist or post-revolutionary bent.

[James Deuce]

yeah, it takes WAY more intelligence to ignore the topic completely, ignore the points raised and argument offered and merely post a pure personal attack

ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO! ROTFLMFAO!

I say, you seem to have a good grip on Parliamentary debating techniques. Are you sure you're not on the Labour or Green list?

[idleidolidyll]

Well at least youve learnt something, less expletives and aggression in your posts......................

aggression?

i'm never aggressive and besides; who gives a flying fuck? do words on a computer screen really hurt that badly?