The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Maki]

That still doesn't answer what I asked though. Where is the evidence that man is causing climate change, and where is the evidence that climate change is forcing people to relocate?

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/08...le_climate.php

But I guess you don't want to know, do you?

[Patch]

try this website and click articles, it might open ya eyes, it might not.
Still alot of useful and interesting info there.


Over this last summer, as reported on a couple of radio stations I listen too (The Rock, and Hauraki) the metservice got 72% of their forecasts - wrong!! and yet they still have their jobs.


Lies and deception make them (gubbermint, big business) money.

[Skyryder]

So what's causing this.

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=...fier=ADP007311


This is nothing once the oceans start releasing methane.

So, does methane pose a threat today? Let us review the situation. We know there are extensive methane hydrate and permafrost deposits all around the world. We have evidence that we are at the beginning of a period of global warming that is probably being made worse by the continuing build up of CO2 in the atmosphere due to fossil fuel burning. Recent computer modelling incorporating the feed back effects of global warming that has already occurred suggests that by about 2050 we may start to loose the beneficial effects of the Amazon rain forest as a carbon sink. This could lead to temperature rises of 5 to 8 degrees centigrade by 2100. This would be uncharted territory and no one really knows at present how the world's environmental systems would change but we now have the evidence from the geological past. On the basis of this evidence global warming can lead to methane releases which once started would escalate. This would be the worst possible thing to happen because once started there would be no way of stopping a runaway methane global warming event. We CAN reduce our CO2 emissions from fossil fuels but we COULD NOT reduce methane emissions once they started, huge natural forces would take over and change our world. This would probably result in the melting of the Antarctic icecap which would raise sea levels by 50 metres and would completely change the climates of the world.


Skyryder

[davereid]

What a perfect product carbon credits are.

You don't need to manufacture them, you don't need to store them.
You don't need to ship them to customers, they don't rot or corrode, and you don't have to insure them in case they are stolen or break.

You don't even have to refund the money if they don't work !

But you can trade them. Auction them, invest in them, and have futures markets based on them.

You can make a lot of money, just by clipping the ticket each time they move through your hands.

You would be hard pressed to sell this particular scam to an intelligent man. And there is not much point selling it to a fool, as he won't have any money.

But there is one place you can find a lot of fools, and a lot of money. Its called Parliament.

You only have to convince a few idiots and their government, and they will use force to make everyone your customer.

[Naki Rat]

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/08...le_climate.php

But I guess you don't want to know, do you?

The debate is not whether global warming is occurring so much as whether humans are a major (or even significant) contributing factor.

[Maki]

try this website and click articles, it might open ya eyes, it might not.
Still alot of useful and interesting info there.


Over this last summer, as reported on a couple of radio stations I listen too (The Rock, and Hauraki) the metservice got 72% of their forecasts - wrong!! and yet they still have their jobs.


Lies and deception make them (gubbermint, big business) money.

Why don't the f***ers who run that "website" look out the window! According to them it should be sunny or partly cloudy here with a max temp of 17! Actually it's pouring down with rain and the temp is 10 degrees!
The Metservice forecast is showers, and max 13. That's pretty much correct...

[Naki Rat]

So what's causing this.

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=...fier=ADP007311


This is nothing once the oceans start releasing methane.


Skyryder

And molecule for molecule methane is 32 times as harmful as CO2 in terms of contributing to the greenhouse effect.

[Maki]

So what's causing this.

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=...fier=ADP007311


This is nothing once the oceans start releasing methane.


Skyryder

Indeed, a spring of wisdom in a desert of ignorance and disinformation. Enhanced methane release due to warming created by higher levels of CO2 is a powerful positive feedback that could potentially create incredible devastation.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...xtinction.html

"The release of massive clouds of methane from icy hydrates buried under shallow ocean floors is the leading suspect for the most devastating extinction in the fossil record, according to a new analysis."

[Magua]

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/08...le_climate.php

But I guess you don't want to know, do you?

Dafur may bare similarities to what happened elsewhere in the Sahel, more to do with carrying capacity than global climate change. Over intensive farming, removing vegetation, increasing albedo leading to less rainfall, leading to drought. Ever increasing populations in the area placing more stress on the environment during times of drought etc leading to more environmental harm.

[k14]

Ok, I have never tried to present myself as an expert but the one thing that stumps me is that CO2 makes up 0.054% (i think that is right) of the atmosphere. If that is correct, how could changing that by 0.001% have any impact on the earths temperature?? Is the global climate on that much of a knife edge?? Surely not!

[Jantar]

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/08...le_climate.php

But I guess you don't want to know, do you?

Thank you for that article, it makes interesting reading. Although it does raise the question over whether or not the Dafur conflict is the first war to be caused by global warming, it also has this wee gem

Marc Lavergne, a researcher with the French National Center for Scientific Research and former head of the Centre D'Etudes et de Documentation Universitaire Scientifique et Technique at the University of Khartoum, agrees. "The problem is not water shortage as such, and water shortages don't necessarily lead to war. The real problem is the lack of agricultural and other development policies to make the best use of available water resources since colonial times."

Those "colonial times" happened to be the end of the little ice age. So are you suggesting that man somehow ended the LIA?

[Indiana_Jones]

I see alot of graphs which mean nothing lol

EDIT: Also notice how it has changed from "global warming" to "Climate change" lol

-Indy

[Maki]

Thank you for that article, it makes interesting reading. Although it does raise the question over whether or not the Dafur conflict is the first war to be caused by global warming, it also has this wee gem



Those "colonial times" happened to be the end of the little ice age. So are you suggesting that man somehow ended the LIA?

Are you suggesting that since climate change that was not caused by man happened in earlier times, then climate change happening now could not possibly be caused by man? This leap of "logic" is much loved by the oil companies.

How do you feel about paying for lies and disinformation every time you fill your bike up with gas?

I am sure this will make your day:

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Exxon Mobil made history on Friday by reporting the highest quarterly and annual profits ever for a U.S. company, boosted in large part by soaring crude prices."

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news...xxon_earnings/

[Jantar]

Are you suggesting that since climate change that was not caused by man happened in earlier times, then climate change happening now could not possibly be caused by man? This leap of "logic" is much loved by the oil companies.

No, I'm not making such a claim. I am asking for evidence that climate change IS being caused by man. So far none has been provided.

How do you feel about paying for lies and disinformation every time you fill your bike up with gas?

What lies and disinformation am I paying for each time I fill my bike?

I am sure this will make your day:

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Exxon Mobil made history on Friday by reporting the highest quarterly and annual profits ever for a U.S. company, boosted in large part by soaring crude prices."

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news...xxon_earnings/

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This response is almost becoming a default. Can you explain just where Exxon fits into this debate? The fact that they made a profit just has nothing to do with whether or not man is affecting the climate.

[Skyryder]

Indeed, a spring of wisdom in a desert of ignorance and disinformation. Enhanced methane release due to warming created by higher levels of CO2 is a powerful positive feedback that could potentially create incredible devastation.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...xtinction.html

"The release of massive clouds of methane from icy hydrates buried under shallow ocean floors is the leading suspect for the most devastating extinction in the fossil record, according to a new analysis."

You do not have to be a rocket scientist to acknowledge that man made Co2emmisions have created global warming. It is true the the geological record shows flucuations in global temperture. Nowhere does the geological record show the speed of global warming that is occuring at the present time. Of a more serious nature is the depletion of the ozone layer. While this appears to have stabilised and recovered to a measurable degree the causes of the destruction of this layer is not in dispute. (It is interesting the at the time when CFC emissions were held respsonsible for the 'hole' this industry denied the overwhelming evidence. In many countries it required legislation to prohibit CFC as a propellant in airosol sprays Exactly the same denial is now taking place in respect to Co2 emissions by the industry that has a vested interest in the continuance for co2 use.)


Unless emissions are reduced there is always the possibility that the ozone depletion may continue. Should this occur that in itself would allow radiation particles to penetrate through our atmosphere with catostrophic increases in cancer and related illness.

Wake up guys you do not need experts to convince you one way or the other. Just look at our own climate change and receeding glaciers.

Skyryder