Assen MotoGP discussion *SPOILERS*

**johan** · 30th June 2008, 14:49

I think I read that one of the reasons Stoner has been struggling in the beginning of the season was that the power was delivered too harsh and the bike would start to shake violently out of the corners. Now they have successfully tweaked the software and Stoner can now pin the throttle early as and have a smooth drive out again.

Looking at the TV graphics where they show Stoner's and Rossi's throttle/break bars (the green/red horizontal bars) side by side you can clearly see that Stoner opens the throttle fully very early while Rossi smoothly opens it up gradually. So Stoner's riding style out of corners with his Ducati seems to more be an on/off switch relying on the software whereas Rossi is more old school.

Obviously, breaking into the corners you need a lot of feeling and confidence and I don't think electronics can help you much here.

**Badjelly** · 30th June 2008, 14:53

Originally Posted by enigma51

The argument is about exciting racing and the solution is two limit electronics to get back to the rider being in control of the slide or wheelie.

Originally Posted by denill

I'm saying that even if you wanted to, you can't limit it.

I recall - that they tried that in AMA and there was such a fine line in set-up they abandoned it - as it could not be policed.

What about the Formula 1 solution of requiring everyone to use the same engine controller (without traction control)?

I'm not actually saying this is a good idea, but it seems to be working in F1 and should be feasible in MotoGP.

**k14** · 30th June 2008, 16:18

Originally Posted by denill

I'm saying that even if you wanted to, you can't limit it.

I recall - that they tried that in AMA and there was such a fine line in set-up they abandoned it - as it could not be policed.

This is 2008 and things have changed.

Well they have successfully done it in F1 this year so I don't see why they couldn't do it in motogp. Its done wonders for F1 although there are still the top 2 teams with the others constantly playing catch up. It has made for perceivably closer racing though.

Yamaha is going to have to pull something special off to stop the stoner route. Although maybe if pedrosa goes to the pneumatic engine then maybe he can challenge stoner?? Hayden has definitely gotten faster with it.

**scorry** · 30th June 2008, 16:23

It would be awesome to see them go back to the old school of no traction control, then they would all bow down to king Rossi.
He used to be sideways out of most corners, so much more fun to watch

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th June 2008, 16:39

Originally Posted by scorry

It would be awesome to see them go back to the old school of no traction control, then they would all bow down to king Rossi.
He used to be sideways out of most corners, so much more fun to watch

Doubt that would worry Stoner too much mate...he was a fantastic racer on the dirt ovals too!

**denill** · 30th June 2008, 16:49

Originally Posted by roogazza

Bill, have you still got that raincoat with the bag of lollies in the pocket ? Gaz.

Hey Gaz, I like 'em young, but not that young!!

**Matt Bleck** · 30th June 2008, 16:55

Originally Posted by riffer

The worst thing is, I accidentally turned the telly on to Sky Sport 3 at 6.01 just in case they had flicked it over to that channel.

And what did they have on - the review of the fI(*&king Motogp.

arse. I already know the result.

lol, yeah i got that too......

**svr** · 30th June 2008, 18:37

Originally Posted by k14

Well they have successfully done it in F1 this year so I don't see why they couldn't do it in motogp. Its done wonders for F1 although there are still the top 2 teams with the others constantly playing catch up. It has made for perceivably closer racing though.

TC will be a standard feature on road bikes in a few years (And anti-lock front brakes can't be too far away from the mainstream either ...)
- what then? would you lot all want lower spec motogp bikes?
Theres still black lines and thankfully, racers being racers, still plenty of crashes.

Crasher is right about Stoner - he rules the roost right now. When its close he's the only one that can go toe to toe and beat Rossi . Pedrosa is fast but it was telling the way Rossi gave him a wedgie and took his lunch money at Donington.

Like Mrs S? - get to Barcelona. Beach.

**Hinny** · 1st July 2008, 16:55

Originally Posted by BigG

Dont count Lorenzo out he started 17 th off the grid and finished 6th didnt he, that little sh__ has bleeding guts and determination but needs to learn not to push to hard. Pedrosa is good untill 3 laps to go and seems his tyres bomb out, Stoner is light and sleek it aint the bike its the rider cos there aint another duke in sight, Rossi is still good and he's real good but I'm afraid to say it no one is up to Stoner he will be the Champ again.
Watch the street stocks to night on WSBk thats bloody good raceing.

Is that as good as Pedrosa getting a podium finish after starting last?

**BigG** · 1st July 2008, 17:30

Originally Posted by Hinny

Is that as good as Pedrosa getting a podium finish after starting last?

Yup I would say so, different track.

**BigG** · 1st July 2008, 17:33

Any body watch the Super Bikes last night, now that was exciting from the super stock to the super bikes, second race was interesting.

**Hinny** · 1st July 2008, 23:49

Originally Posted by Hinny

Is that as good as Pedrosa getting a podium finish after starting last?

Originally Posted by BigG

Yup I would say so, different track.

Same field.

**k14** · 2nd July 2008, 07:59

Originally Posted by svr

TC will be a standard feature on road bikes in a few years (And anti-lock front brakes can't be too far away from the mainstream either ...)
- what then? would you lot all want lower spec motogp bikes?
Theres still black lines and thankfully, racers being racers, still plenty of crashes.

I never said that I'm for removing traction control from bikes, I just said it is possible. A high amount of new cars have anti lock brakes, traction control, stability control, some even have launch control. Didn't stop them from removing it from formula 1.

I say go back to 500's.

**denill** · 2nd July 2008, 08:08

Originally Posted by k14

I never said that I'm for removing traction control from bikes, I just said it is possible. A high amount of new cars have anti lock brakes, traction control, stability control, some even have launch control. Didn't stop them from removing it from formula 1.
I say go back to 500's.

And while you're at it - go back to single cylinder four strokes made in Gt Britain.

**roogazza** · 2nd July 2008, 09:23

Originally Posted by denill

And while you're at it - go back to single cylinder four strokes made in Gt Britain.

I'm thinking keep the technology and the electronics Bill, just back off the some of the rider aids like wheelie and traction etc .
I liked it when as a rider Doohan could master the screamer engine when most of the others had to have the big bang set up.(technology without rider aids)
Do you notice they're starting to jump off the 800's a bit more lately (or so it seems) ? Gaz.