"Faith Based" units in prisons.

[Badjelly]

I'm not to fazed about the faith based units. It filters out the suicide bombers and the nuts who have samurai swords.

I would say that it filters them in!

[avgas]

funny you should mention flat screens...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10485081


And why would it be that the government doesn't want to let the people know how much the under floor heating costs?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0606/S00564.htm

Fucking assholes are living better than me.
I swear, if i ever flip out - the prisons will be the first ones to know about it.

[imdying]

And why would it be that the government doesn't want to let the people know how much the under floor heating costs?

Public are too thick to thing long term?

[imdying]

Fucking assholes are living better than me.
I swear, if i ever flip out - the prisons will be the first ones to know about it.

What, you have a worse person to tv ratio than 31:1? Sux2bu

[007XX]

Fucking assholes are living better than me.
I swear, if i ever flip out - the prisons will be the first ones to know about it.

Indeed...although I doubt you'd like to become someone's bitch for it though, eh?

oh and while we're on the topic, how about having a gymnasium and 3.3mil worth of landscaping?

http://newszealand.blogspot.com/2007...pens-amid.html

Say what you like, but it does grate me big time being a law abiding citizen who has always paid her taxes and pay for these guys to build muscles and have the chance to further their education while I struggle to pay for a good education for my son :mad2:

I don't see why I should have to be made responsible for the comfort of people who supposedly don't know right from wrong. They should be paying their way through their imprisonment, full stop!

Anyway, I'll get back to earning a living to pay for this BS.

[NOMIS]

Evidence?

10 char

Me!!!!!!! Im evidence enough to my self.i knew where i was going and I knew what hapend, If crims take it seriously god does do amazing things in peoples lives

[007XX]

Public are too thick to thing long term?

in contrast to being gullible and letting themselves be ripped off for the sake of PC human rights?

[jrandom]

a gymnasium

I doubt it's quite at the standard of, say, JustWorkout in Durham Street downtown where I go to monopolise the squat rack and check out chicks' arses, etc.

Ever thought that it might be cheaper, risk and statistics wise, to put some exercise equipment in prisons so that inmates stay healthy, instead of leaving them to rot and turn to custard so that a fairly high proportion of them come out with instant excuses to go on the sickness benefit?

3.3mil worth of landscaping?

Ever thought that the landscaping might be for the benefit of everyone outside the prison?

They should be paying their way through their imprisonment, full stop!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but many prisoners do engage in work schemes, for which they are paid far less than the minimum hourly wage.

Anyway. Rather than emotive ranting, how about some international comparisons of the cost to house prisoners? Does anyone else do it significantly cheaper?

(Apart from that fellow in Nevada or wherever with the tent farm - that wouldn't quite work in the current Northland weather, would it?)

[pritch]

Long jail terms dont change or fix people.

Perhaps not but they ahve one redemming feature: They work!

After a while all the assholes are banged up inside.

[avgas]

What, you have a worse person to tv ratio than 31:1? Sux2bu

In regards to flatscreen LCD TV's and decent heating - YES

[oldrider]

It seems to have been an honest mistake.

The offender opened the book (bible) in the old testament and only read about "an eye for an eye" and thought, yeah right!

He signed up immediately and became a "practicing" Christian! John.

[avgas]

Indeed...although I doubt you'd like to become someone's bitch for it though, eh?

Do you mean prison - or working? Nah dont have to be a bitch if i just collapse a finance co.

[yod]

It seems to have been an honest mistake.

The offender opened the book (bible) in the old testament and only read about "an eye for an eye" and thought, yeah right!

He signed up immediately and became a "practicing" Christian! John.

lol

bunch of fekkin stoners...haha! get it? get it?

speaking of sweeping crap under the carpet, the old testament has got to be the best effort yet

[The Pastor]

Perhaps not but they ahve one redemming feature: They work!

After a while all the assholes are banged up inside.

but they are not, the only ones that don't come out are the ones that die inside.

they come out and they recommit crime straight away. Its just a matter of how long it takes for them to get caught.

[007XX]

I doubt it's quite at the standard of, say, JustWorkout in Durham Street downtown where I go to monopolise the squat rack and check out chicks' arses, etc.

Ever thought that it might be cheaper, risk and statistics wise, to put some exercise equipment in prisons so that inmates stay healthy, instead of leaving them to rot and turn to custard so that a fairly high proportion of them come out with instant excuses to go on the sickness benefit?

ppffffttt...If they were set to build roads like in the good old days or any other form of harduous worktask, then keeping fit wouldn't be an issue, now would it?

Ever thought that the landscaping might be for the benefit of everyone outside the prison?

hmmmm...yes, that would probably be a valid point, especially in areas such as Paremoremo. Maybe they should have rose bushes on top of the walls instead of barbed wires...lovely!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but many prisoners do engage in work schemes, for which they are paid far less than the minimum hourly wage.

ok...and I quote, as an example:

[Mt Eden Prison offers two main types of employment:
• internal self-sufficiency activities such as food preparation and laundry
• commercial work parties.
Prisoners are able to earn credits under the National Qualification Framework, allowing them to work towards qualifications whilst they are engaged in employment and training.

And to be fair, the Christchurch Women's Prison:

Christchurch Women's Prison offers two main types of employment:

internal self-sufficiency activities such as food preparation and laundry
industry such as sewing and ground maintenance.

Prisoners are able to earn credits under the National Qualification Framework, allowing them to work towards qualifications whist they are engaged in employment and training.


Now, that doesn't actually show me that any of the offenders are paying for the cost of their own expenditures for being fed, clothed, kept warm and being given medical attention.

This is my source of info http://www.corrections.govt.nz/utili..._facility.html

Anyway. Rather than emotive ranting, how about some international comparisons of the cost to house prisoners? Does anyone else do it significantly cheaper?

(Apart from that fellow in Nevada or wherever with the tent farm - that wouldn't quite work in the current Northland weather, would it?)

International comparison? Don't be silly...

You know as well as I do that to compare two things, they have to be of equal or at least extremely similar value to be conceded as comparable.
I do not have the knowledge in economics to even know which country would be the closest to NZ in demographic and criminal record to be used as a comparative statistic.

However, I found this and thought it was quite interesting as it does highlight the complexity behind the calculation of performance of a prison system.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/journal...vatization.htm

My original point though was...why do the taxpayers have to shoulder the cost of those who have turned their backs on society? I am all for rehabilitation, but I think that it has been treated too much as scheme of the "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff"

Concentrate on the young offenders, and invest more resources there, before he/she becomes a hard arse. http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/c...llent+progress