"Faith Based" units in prisons.

[007XX]

I doubt it's quite at the standard of, say, JustWorkout in Durham Street downtown where I go to monopolise the squat rack and check out chicks' arses, etc.
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My point is, yeah, fuck rehabilitation, that's bollocks. I'd love to shoot the cunts myself.

Don't let them buff up in prison so they can run faster later?

[RantyDave]

is it, can it be, a good thing to have "faith-based" rehabilitation units?

Yeah, we got off topic real fast. Having read through the replies a bit, I do see that - particularly given the upbringing that most prisoners will have had - that some guidance on morality is clearly necessary. And religions are nothing if not guides on morality. Retarded guides to morality, sure, but these are people who are missing out on the very very basics. I might even prefer believing in imaginary friends to some state sanctioned guide on morality which would presumably be the choice.

Anyway. Promoting Christianity. No different to promoting McDonalds.

Dave

[The Pastor]

ppffffttt...If they were set to build roads like in the good old days or any other form of harduous worktask, then keeping fit wouldn't be an issue, now would it?

Simplistic view, what happens to all the road workers, where do they get jobs after the prisoners take them all?

[007XX]

Simplistic view, what happens to all the road workers, where do they get jobs after the prisoners take them all?

Damn, you managed to make me laugh...I must be tired!

[Patrick]

With all due respect you dont know what you're talking about.

In prison there are 7 rules.

The guards/authority are the enemy.
never show any emotion
solve all your problems with violence
always watch your back
mind your own buissines

Ive forgotten the other two.

don't bend over to get the soap, and,
doesn't matter if you want to be the mama or the papa... Bubbas dick is going in your arse / mouth / whatever....

go spend a night at mt eden, and tell me if you find underfloor heating and tvs

Underfloor heating, perhaps not... but definitely ONLY one TV in EVERY room... and that was back in 1988....

... instead of leaving them to rot and turn to custard so that a fairly high proportion of them come out with instant excuses to go on the sickness benefit?

(Apart from that fellow in Nevada or wherever with the tent farm - that wouldn't quite work in the current Northland weather, would it?)

Most are sickness beneficiaries already....

As for the tent farm...... absolutely PERFECT weather for them..... make them NOT want to go back.

[Sanx]

Anyway. Promoting Christianity. No different to promoting McDonalds.

Wrong. Very wrong.

The McDonalds Corporation have far more relevance in today's world, have more morals, do less harm and pay tax.

Simplistic view, what happens to all the road workers, where do they get jobs after the prisoners take them all?

Road? Workers? NZ have people that do work on roads? Hmm ... who'd have thunk it.

[peasea]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the prisoners who stay away from violence and drugs have a much lower rate/chance of re-offending.

If they'd done that in the first place they wouldn't be in the can.

[peasea]

[QUOTE=Sanx;1668911]Wrong. Very wrong.

The McDonalds Corporation have far more relevance in today's world, have more morals, do less harm and pay tax.

QUOTE]


Yup. Don't recall any McDonald's staff fiddling with children, mounting holy wars, plundering mountains of gold and jewels from indigenous people or torturing to death those who eat Burger King.

[Steam]

But, if prisons be ONLY about rehabilitation

You're right, they're not entirely about rehab of course, there are all those craaazy people or people too dangerous who'll never be able to be released, on Preventive Detention forever, or whatever it's called.

I disagree.
It is at supposed to be about both, one being a deterrant, and one being a "fix".
There is arguably a 3rd reason and that is the state dishing out the revenge for the victims.

I have thought about it and yes, you are right.

[The Pastor]

If they'd done that in the first place they wouldn't be in the can.

Thank you captain obvious.

[peasea]

Thank you captain obvious.

You're welcome. Sometimes the obvious needs to be pointed out to you.

[zadok]

The debate over crime and punishment has been around since the year dot and there will never be a balance that all will agree on. I believe the reason for offending is complex and subject to very many variables (peer pressure, socio economic, etc).
After having worked in the industry for over 32 years, I have made some observations, (which probably seem obvious):
There are those who have been sent to prison due to some unfortunate set of circumstances, or a 'brain fade' and won't be seen in the system again.
There are those who can't seem to keep out of trouble and keep returning. Any number of initiatives to modify their behaviour is generally unsuccessful until ultimately the 'penny drops' and they don't want to go to prison again.
Drugs are a scourge on society.

[alanzs]

I thought prisons were to keep the bad people from harming the innocent people? I thought rehabilitation went out years ago. Prison is punishment?
If faith based units work to keep them from returning to crime, more power to them. Shouldn't let them out early though. Do the crime, do the time.

[CookMySock]

how the hell does it affect YOU ? Why are you pissed off about things that don't affect you ?

Forget about other peoples irrelevant bullshit and get back to your fun project.

geez

[Badjelly]

how the hell does it affect YOU?

Is that a particular "YOU" or just YOU kiwibikers in general?