e mare libertas
A very good point.Originally Posted by *Col*
And given that in this case 'reasonable' is always going to be determined by people other than those affected by the violence in question, I don't think it's a fair defence to open to subjective judgment.
An assault is an assault. If you can't control your kids without the threat of retributive violence, you suck as a parent. Sorry, it's just true.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Tornado Alley
Referendums mean othing. The silent majority get to have a say, and the gubbermint still do what they want.
Remember the referendum on harsher penalties for crims? Over 90 per cent said hell yeah.
What do we get? Murderers on bail, Home detention and a seven step policy to go through before anyone gets close to being sent to jail - seven strikes and off to jail you go. FFS.
Scooter boy
BTW - you've never been legally allowed to beat up your kids, why did we need another law to tell us that it's not ok?[/QUOTE]
Theres a difference to beating up ya kids and smacking them on the arse when they deserve it....
e mare libertas
That's the problem with woolly ill-conceived referendums.
A referendum on whether a particular clause should be added back into a particular section in a particular Act (as this one presumably will be) would be a lot harder for a Government to wriggle away from, in terms of taking action, than a referendum on what people thought of some general principle like 'harsher penalties'.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
e mare libertas
That's entirely subjective.
And, with all due respect, if I were your kid, I think I'd prefer that you not be given the option to exercise your judgement on the matter.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Lumpy
Hence why the law is an arse
"No one appreciates the very special genius of your conversation as the dog does."
e mare libertas
Well, no, the law is no longer an arse, following Bradford's bill, is the point.
This is supposed to be a referendum about whether we should reinstate that particular arsey part of the law.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Lumpy
They should ban 'time out' as a form of psychological abuse
"No one appreciates the very special genius of your conversation as the dog does."
.....your time is coming
Why is it......
Hardcore Biker
Cant wait
I'd give my youngest a bloody good smacking.
Except he's 19years old and 2.05 meters tall and 110kgs.
Maybe I'd give his three older brothers a good smacking instead.
They are shorter, not much though.
But they dont mind a bit of a scrap if theres one going.
Shit either way I'm gonna loose.
Maybe I just give em a hug instead,
After all they are gonna pick my retirement home for me
Arguing with an Engineer is like wrestling a pig in mud.
After a while you realise the pig is enjoying it.
Hardcore Biker
So what you are saying is that the reason people, including yourself, bash Kids is dependent on what is written on a piece of paper by Parliament.
There I was thinking it was caused by people who can't control their anger and despite whatever the laws are they hit kids. How come that same principle hasn't put an end to rape and murder?
We did't need this silly law. Assault, grievious bodily harm and murder - against any age, were already illegal in NZ.
What next? Shall we make it illegal to frown at a child, fart in their general direction.
Alas the passing of common sense. He got lightly smacked on the bum and died of multiple injuries as a result.
Happiness is a means of travel, not a destination
Psyclepath
Any law that most people ignore, is a stupid law. What did Alan Clark say about trying to "defy human nature" before she went back on her word not to criminalise smacking for the purposes of correction?
I don't care what the right-on social engineers say, smacking is a valid, useful and effective component of the parental toolbox.
Only a homo puts an engine back together WITHOUT making it go faster.
Moped rider
Our kids still get smacked if necessary... regardless of a ridiculous law that even HC declared would never happen because "it defies human nature", introduced by a Maoist and known criminal.
Who the hell think she's a model parent??
If the lefties can't differentiate between a smack and assault, then they need to be forcibly sterilised - problem solved.
I can't be bothered citing the stacks of psych research that shows Bradford was wrong from the start - I think her supporters are too inbred to be capable of reading anyway
.....your time is coming
People are good judges of Laws are they....mmm...so they are objective when ignoring then...
Do you really think that smacking is the most effective component of the parental toolbox...funny how we don't apply adult v adult tools to our kids and set an example...
.....your time is coming
And who the hell is a model parent then??
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