A site for people who hate HOONS and boyracers

[CookMySock]

The thing about taking risks on the road is, fuck it up and you may kill someone else.

Exactly. Have fun, but stay out of the risky shit.

So if everybody does it (it is sociably acceptable and part of our culture apparently) then it makes it okay..???

Fuck no, it wouldn't be fun any more if everyone did it.

Cmon maan, I'm not saying doing risky and dangerous things are ok - I'm saying "goofing off and being an iriot is fine as long as you don't hurt anyone, including yourself."

Live a little.

Steve

[nodrog:Me]

So if everybody does it (it is sociably acceptable and part of our culture apparently) then it makes it okay..???

obviously its only ok if you do it

[Katman]

No-one ever seems to give a fuck about consequences.

(Well, not until after the fact anyway).

[nodrog:Me]

theres a difference between doing dounuts in the middle of queen street, compared to doing a skid in the maungatapere metal dump.

[dipshit]

I was playing hide-and-seek with the kids, but the road is a whole new category, as is everything else in that list.

Using a vehicle on the road is more like using a firearm. It must be treated with respect because you can very easily take someone's or your own life if you get it wrong.

Yet so many people have the attitude that the roads are like some kind of playground to have "fun" on. Having some laughs and being the hero with your mates is going to feel pale in comparison to the feelings of guilt for the rest of your life after killing or severely injuring someone. And this does happen all too often in NZ.

All the remorse and feeling sorry for yourself afterwards isn't going to change anything.

Just like how I can clearly remember my firearms instructor telling the class when I was going for my firearms licence many years ago... "if you do accidentally shoot someone - I don't want to hear how sorry you are... that's all bullshit. Nothing is ever going to stop that bullet travelling down the barrel once you have pulled the trigger. The trick is to grow a brain before you do anything stupid."

[dipshit]

No-one ever seems to give a fuck about consequences.

(Well, not until after the fact anyway).

By which time it is too late.

[avgas]

While some of what dipshit says is valid it isn't so black and white really.
I openly admit that i have my "hoon" moments.
But i am not un-educated, nor do i lack a brain.
I could in fact state that i'm a pretty good driver......not because i drive calmly or the fact that i have not caused an accident since those scary learning years. But down to 1 very clear and fine reason.....
I know the limits of things
- I know the limits of my car/bike/tractor/forklift......whatever
- I know the limits of what could happen
- I know the limits of how people could react
- I know how far i could slide, what the brakes WILL do (its different to what they tell you as well!), my exit strategies, and almost traffic forecasting to what is around the corner.

I remain in these limits, even remain on them on occasion.
I pick my times appropriately.
But i know some people out there will see me, and just simply tag me hoon. And i simply don't care - because i know at the end of the day jealousy is a cruel bitch, and when they see me doing my thing and NOT relying on luck they realize what lack of skill they possess.
That is the way here, everyone assumes they know better than everyone else. I know i'm not the greatest, and i LEARN from those above me not bitch about it.

[Katman]

- I know the limits of how people could react

I can't quite see how you've figured this one out.

[dipshit]

Cmon maan, I'm not saying doing risky and dangerous things are ok - I'm saying "goofing off and being an iriot is fine as long as you don't hurt anyone, including yourself."

Live a little.

Take a look at this incident that happened a few months ago down here in Dunedin.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/10...h-face-charges

A father was taking his kids down the street to return some DVDs. Just for fun he let them ride in the boot of the car. At the same time a 24 year-old guy was taking his teenaged nephews for a burn in his Subaru. Residents in the street reported hearing the Subaru absolutely gunning it down the street before the impact.

People do get killed quite regularly in NZ from "having a bit of fun". Do you think the Subaru driver thinks it was all worth it just to show off how fast his car was to his nephews? I bet nobody thought the evening would turn out the way it did. Things go pear shape in the blink of an eye. How is one supposed to know what the limit is to having a bit of a loon without someone getting hurt... until someone gets hurt? Do you think he would do things differently if he could magically turn back time?

[CookMySock]

While some of what dipshit says is valid it isn't so black and white really.

[...]

- I know the limits of my car/bike/tractor/forklift......whatever
- I know the limits of what could happen
- I know the limits of how people could react
- I know how far i could slide, what the brakes WILL do (its different to what they tell you as well!), my exit strategies, and almost traffic forecasting to what is around the corner.

I remain in these limits, even remain on them on occasion.

Many of these things are not exact sciences. It is easy to persuade ourselves we have a handle on all this, when often we simply do not - it is a glorious fantastic illusion, and then there is statistics to contend with - we don't always win.

Be a hoon I reckon, dodge the feds and have a good time, just remember that theres someones daddy, wife, L-Plater son, teenage daughter, etc, right around the next corner that you could cut in half - and don't just get past them safely, make it look like it too.


Steve

[dipshit]

I could in fact state that i'm a pretty good driver.

And so does virtually everybody else.

[CookMySock]

Take a look at this incident that happened a few months ago down here in Dunedin.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/10...h-face-charges

[...] People do get killed fairly regularly in NZ from "having a bit of fun". Do you think the Subaru driver thinks it was all worth it just to show off how fast his car was to his nephews? [....] Do you think he would do things differently if he could magically turn back time?

I agree with you completely. I have a Hilux Surf with no seats in the rear. The girls would DEARLY love to fill the back with mattresses and do a trip in there. The answer is no. They look at me like they hate me, and the answer is still no. BUT I will TEACH her how to wheelie.

All of the paragliding people I know have had an incident - some of them serious, and some of them are dead. Same goes for scuba diving, flying planes, you name it - it happens.

That is pretty much a freak accident though, and this is what I mean by things being not-exact sciences, and statistics catching up with you in the end.

"We are not as clever as we think we are."

Steve

[dipshit]

"We are not as clever as we think we are."

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.

[R6_kid:Me]

Lol, why has this turned into a safety debate? That website is pure marketing for his company 'superchips'... also I think i recognise him as the guy who runs the 'Carver' outfit at Coromandel - funnily enough the website is supported by both of the other two companies... how convenient.

[CookMySock]

Which would suggest we should try and foster an attitude in the younger emerging drivers that using a vehicle on the road should be taken more seriously and isn't just there to clown around on.

I think you can try all you like with that - I don't think you will get far.

Steve