Kiwibiker Mentors - Opinion

[cowpoos]

Pfft, you can't measure someone's riding competence by how many times they haven't crashed.

People who've never crashed are either simply riding within only a tiny percentage of their bike's capabilities (and that includes people who only ever take the bike out of the garage on sunny days, etc) and are therefore unsuitable to convey information about motorcycle control dynamics, or they're ticking timebombs who don't know the risks they're running.

Nah...it can easily be a sign of excellent bike control!!! Andrew stroud next to never crashes...especially when compared to his peers at the front of the pack!! does that make him a ticking time bomb??

My Origonal point was not just about this one point.

One thing I didn't add to my origonal post was...the Mentors endorsment by the website seems to give them more weight when answering riding questions...and after reading a good handful of their repleys...alot of them lack reality and common sense...and seem to be answered more along the lines of what a Motogp ledgend woluld do...rather than what a newbie should do..

One thread was talking about finding yourself entering corners to hot.
A total myrid of stupid highly technical repleys..which yeah sure they are valid if you are rossi...but the point that members were answering a question to someone that is new to Motorcycles...wouldn't of taken much brain power to say slow down more. I would have thought?? wasn't really that technical...although...the question asker asked what ,common sense would have thought was a stupid question.

Meh...I'm getting over this topic

Common sense and rational thinking....are they becoming extinct?? Might go start a thread, on that topic sometime!

[boomer]

Common sense and rational thinking....are they becoming extinct?? Might go start a thread on that topic sometime!

Just look at teh adds/campaigns on TV Poos... it says it all. The country perceives its minions to be fool hardy lacking common sense.... why should we disagree with THEM??!!

We're the idjiots for believing its not natural!

[jrandom]

Andrew stroud next to never crashes...

Not these days, but how long ago did he start riding? Try asking him for a few stories from his youth...

Betcha he's fallen off a bike more times in total than anyone who's posted to this thread.

the Mentors endorsment by the website seems to give them more weight when answering riding questions...and after reading a good handful of their repleys...alot of them lack reality and common sense...

That's precisely what I'm getting at, too.

[Squiggles]

Expand?

Ok - it might not even involve talking about motorcycles.

Cant rep again

I'm still trying to see exactly where the line is drawn in between mentoring and instructing, its clear in definition (Qualified, Unqualified).

So i guess the question is, do mentors critique riding technique? If i was riding around and on every right hander hugged the centre, rather than taking a line to give me better vision, would a mentor suggest i do so? (This would be teaching not mentoring right?) Would they critique at all?
Or is the mentoring system based more around attitude?

My understanding of the "KB Mentor" is leaning more towards the attitude side at the moment

[yungatart]

I can't imagine why.

Why throw my "sensitivity' in to the equation then? Just another inane comment from you, with no thought or purpose?
I had credited you with slightly more intelligence, Dan. Obviously I can be wrong....not often tho

[jrandom]

Why should everybody have to crash?

Everybody doesn't have to crash.

But I'd argue that it'd be very rare to find a qualified 'mentor' who hadn't.

Because not ever crashing means either that:

1. You're a nana, and therefore not in a position to convey bike control skills to others (not that there's anything wrong with that); or

2. You've been lucky and are one day going to be bitten in the arse by your inevitable overconfidence.

I'm sure that there will be many howls of 'bullshit!' in response to this, but I note that they'll almost certainly be unsupported with logic of their own.

Why should people have to ride at the bikes capabilities, rather than their own?

They shouldn't!

But any 'mentor' should be someone with an intimate knowledge of all the ins and outs of how to actually ride a motorcycle.

Those who want to keep their own capabilities to a far smaller envelope than their machine's should certainly be left in peace to do so, but shouldn't be appointed to positions where n00bs will get instruction from them.

Because there will inevitably be wrong shit getting passed on.

Why is someone that hasn't crashed a ticking time bomb?

That's just one of the options; see my points 1. and 2. above.

[jrandom]

Why throw my "sensitivity' in to the equation then?

Mostly because the way you jumped all over my post spoke volumes.

[Mental Trousers]

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When in doubt, throttle out is a simplification of what is taught to the newest riders at Basic Handling Skills etc by fully qualified and professional Rider Trainers all over the world. It's a simplification of the fact that a cornering motor bike has maximum grip when you have a bit of throttle, balancing the weight and forces between both tyres. Throttling off overloads the front and doesn't make maximum use of the rear.

It's generally agreed by those that are qualified that you teach best practices right from the start rather than telling people 1 thing when they're newbs then later on contradicting that and implying they were considered to stupid and to be shown the way things actually work from the start.

But that's a different thread and different argument so lets not carry it on here ...

[jrandom]

I'm married and ride a BMW. What do YOU think....???

How could I possibly know? Hence the request for pix, etc.

[Madness]

Nice day for a ride...

[cowpoos]

When in doubt, throttle out is a simplification of what is taught to the newest riders at Basic Handling Skills etc by fully qualified and professional Rider Trainers all over the world. It's a simplification of the fact that a cornering motor bike has maximum grip when you have a bit of throttle, balancing the weight and forces between both tyres. Throttling off overloads the front and doesn't make maximum use of the rear.

yep completly valid/correct/proper tecnique/etc....but. 'the problem' he had was he kept finding himself entering corners to hot. that means he needs to learn to slow down more before a corner...so that he doesn't need to get in the predicament in the first place.

[Quasievil]

LOL, I was only really pointing out thats is kinda funny that someone bothered to give me negative feedback on my mentor nomination when the last time I crashed on the road was when I was 17 in 1982, and yet someone who has crashed 5 times in the space of two years is a mentor despite negative feedback regarding that mentor application.

Mentoring should be about safety.

Re the other thread where I was involved in, I completely disagree with the whole when in doubt throttle it out ? thats not a good statement for a mentor to make I reckon ? (not that a mentor said it)

I give you permission to release publicaly ( poster names with held) the comments against my nomination, Should be a laugh !

(will be a load of crap but funny)

[FROSTY:Me]

An example? A mentoring session for me would not even necessarily involve getting on a motorcycle.

couldn't agree more on that one dude-

[FROSTY:Me]

yep completly valid/correct/proper tecnique/etc....but. 'the problem' he had was he kept finding himself entering corners to hot. that means he needs to learn to slow down more before a corner...so that he doesn't need to get in the predicament in the first place.

so a new catchphrase for this mentoree perhaps SLOW in fast out
Yea I know its really OLD news

[jrandom]

I give you permission to release publicaly ( poster names with held) the comments against my nomination, Should be a laugh !

Oooh, yes please, this should be good.



C'mon, Shane, spill.