What is an acceptable budget for a season/year of road race?

[GSVR]

I think you missread the question.

You forgot the poll result LESS THAN $6000

Can anyone really justify $100,000 for a good time for 1 season ???
For that money, I could race for 80 full weekends!!!
I know who'd have the most fun!!

Holy shit!! $100,000!!!!

Including price of bike and tyres, consumables, replacement riding gear, crash repairs, fuel, travel and accomodation?

Going by what gixxers written it may be cheaper to run a Superbike than an F3 bike if you want to win. I reacon I could build a winning F3 bike for under $200000 including running expenses.

[codgyoleracer]

No worries it will all be at aprox retail prices.

"Thats just off the topof my head im sure there are lots of little things I have missed and they soon add up now this is all aprox retail and for me plus 2 helpers im sure it can be done for much less but to have a good go at winning the sbk class this is a fair way to look at it

"


My experience in Superbike , is 45K is doing it on the cheap includes, not the dearest tyres, being lent a bike, & some help with spares from a distributer.

Does not include a spare bike & or a lot of bad luck (i.e crashing).

Top ten result is good on the above budget in Superbike, if you wanna finish top 5, then double my number & you can crash a bit more :-), - (bit not in the races of course)

Bring on a privateers SBK class ! - as costs in money & time availablilty are a problem to the average punter for SBK class. Either that or retire to obscurity in F3 :-).
Glen

[codgyoleracer]

I think you missread the question.



Including price of bike and tyres, consumables, replacement riding gear, crash repairs, fuel, travel and accomodation?

Going by what gixxers written it may be cheaper to run a Superbike than an F3 bike if you want to win. I reacon I could build a winning F3 bike for under $200000 including running expenses.

My "build costs" this year will be less than 4K, rest is tyres, entry & accomodation. SBK has no resemblance whatsoever to F3 cost wise, SBK is waaaaaaaaaaaay more expensive in all regards. Greater build costs, Greater tyre use, Greater spares cost, Greater consumable parts consumption, Greater costs to run a crew & lug it/them all around the country. There is no doubt in my mind that to win on a title on a superbike (even in little ole NZ) you need a strong budget/backer & a shitload of talent. (& sometimes a smidgen of luck)
Glen

[GSVR]

The only place in Gixxers account I can seee as being that different is the tyres.

Infact theres far more oppurtunity to spend in F3 as you can buy lots of exotic parts and use exotic materials.

Note I said I could build and run bike for under 200K but I'm sure it would be possible to spend alot more. How much did John Britten (or BSL )spend? Just make whatever number is required to be classed as a production bike.


I'm looking at the question wrong. Goal budget for a rider should be zero or eventually being paid ie professional.

[sidecar bob]

You forgot the poll result LESS THAN $6000

Can anyone really justify $100,000 for a good time for 1 season ???
For that money, I could race for 80 full weekends!!!
I know who'd have the most fun!!

Holy shit!! $100,000!!!!

The classic Beemer would be about $2000 & our grins would be some of the biggest in the pits.
$150 for a tyre that lasts for more than a season.

[vtec]

Cool I got 12th at the Manfeild Nationals supersport in 2006, on a $9000 bike. $200 tyres. $100 petrol, $40 oil. $200 accommodation, $100 food and drink. Have since sold the bike after racing for more than a season on it for $7500 + whatever the entry fee is $300???

Racing in streetstocks, bike running costs for a year of probably $2000 including entry fees. That's not nationals though. And that was a club title winning budget hehehe. Bought the bike for $5g, and sold it 2 years later +30,000ks and a season of racing for $5g. It was my road bike too. I love CBR250RRs.

Riding gear, I suppose I should allow maybe $1000 per year for riding gear. Only smashed up a couple of helmets, and destroyed one set of leathers. And one set of boots and 2 sets of gloves, but that's over 3 years.

This year riding CBR250's in Australia. Did 4 meetings, bike cost $2500 plus repairs and tyres of about $600. Crashed it once. which cost me $30 for a new brake lever. About $200 petrol. $800 entry fees. Won $300 prize money And sold the bike back to the Wreckers for $2000 still in racing condition. And the wreckers are going to sponsor me $500 towards this 3 hour endurance race. So I'm not really haemhorrhaging too much towards my racing. But still having fun.

[slowpoke]

No worries it will all be at aprox retail prices.

New 1000cc bike aprox 20k
Suspension front and rear plus a damper 6k
3 sets of fairings 4500
Paint + decals 2000-2500 per set
rear set footpegs plus after market bars 1000 +
Pro engine build plus dyno ??????? up to 10k
Tiatanium exhaust 3 - 3500
Cams 1500-2000?

Spares
Wheels, forks, radiator, bars, speedo and braket, footpegs and bars, gas tank, muffler and link pipe, sub frame, brake rotors, maybe a spare bike
30k +
Tyres
3k per national weekend thats 15k just for the nats
testing would be another 5k + on tyres
Travel + accomodation for nats only5k
travel and accomo for pre season testing 3k
entry fees 2k
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Thats just off the topof my head im sure there are lots of little things I have missed and they soon add up now this is all aprox retail and for me plus 2 helpers im sure it can be done for much less but to have a good go at winning the sbk class this is a fair way to look at it

"


My experience in Superbike , is 45K is doing it on the cheap includes, not the dearest tyres, being lent a bike, & some help with spares from a distributer.

Does not include a spare bike & or a lot of bad luck (i.e crashing).

Top ten result is good on the above budget in Superbike, if you wanna finish top 5, then double my number & you can crash a bit more :-), - (bit not in the races of course)

Bring on a privateers SBK class ! - as costs in money & time availablilty are a problem to the average punter for SBK class. Either that or retire to obscurity in F3 :-).
Glen

Now, the trick with the above numbers isn't coming up with that sort of money, the real trick is knowing how to spend it effectively.

Even if you build an amazing bike on paper, it's good for fuck all if you can't use it, or don't know how to set the bugger up. All the Yoshi/HRC/YEC etc catalog's in the world don't actually help you ride the bike.

One option that doesn't seem to be exlored very often these days is saving a bit of coin by doing/making it yourself. Rearsets aren't hard to make, neither is a subrame, and lots a guys have rebuilt engines. Spending money on learning new skills or buying tools etc is a viable alternative to buying off the shelf parts and you'll only have to pay for the tool/class once rather than buying new bits every time you crash or update a bike.

[FROSTY:Me]

My last seasons F3 racing cost $20k
That was a full auckland club champs -4 rounds of the nationals, including the "free" test day mid week at each round. 2 one day street meetings and a couple of other meetings.
That included a full engine freshen up a few sets of tyres, and a paint job.
Spares were limited to mechanicals rather than cosmetics.

[wharfy]

1. Honda Hornet 900 = $0 ( I had one already )
2. Ohlins rear shock = $1700
3. Race Tech fork kit fitted by RT = $900
4. Paddock stands x 2 $500
5. tyre warmers $600
6. Practise days $400
7. primary sprocket $40
8. Conti sport attacks 3 sets $1500
9. Transport - ride to meeting $30 x 6
10. accomodation $600 (fleabag hotels )
11. k&N filter $125
12. oil filters x 2 $70
13. oil $80
14. budget leathers $900
15. back protector $120
16. boots $300
17. 8 days of work
18. entry fees $650 (about)
19. ADRENILINE RUSH = PRICELESS !!!!!!

That doesn't include thrashing the ring out of my daily transport....

This is what I can recall spending to do the VMCC winter series at the BOTTOM of the scale. I spent more but can't remember on what, this is probably about as cheap as you can be.

FARK !!! I just added that up !!! FARK AGAIN
That makes my minor place ribbons worth about $2700 each !!!

It could be worse I guess I could have invested the money in a finance company, at least this way I get to piss it up against the wall MYSELF

I will be carefully checking out Shaun's lease plans !!!

[wharfy]

The classic Beemer would be about $2000 & our grins would be some of the biggest in the pits.
$150 for a tyre that lasts for more than a season.

Hmmm... I've got an ex MOT R80 in the shed, I might have to investigate an extra wheel ...

[wharfy]

Now, the trick with the above numbers isn't coming up with that sort of money, the real trick is knowing how to spend it effectively.

Even if you build an amazing bike on paper, it's good for fuck all if you can't use it, or don't know how to set the bugger up. All the Yoshi/HRC/YEC etc catalog's in the world don't actually help you ride the bike.

One option that doesn't seem to be exlored very often these days is saving a bit of coin by doing/making it yourself. Rearsets aren't hard to make, neither is a subrame, and lots a guys have rebuilt engines. Spending money on learning new skills or buying tools etc is a viable alternative to buying off the shelf parts and you'll only have to pay for the tool/class once rather than buying new bits every time you crash or update a bike.

FARK I forgot about the rear-sets $800 - I am going to have to stop reading this thread !!!

Oh I did make my (untested )crash knobs and number plates myself

[roogazza]

FARK I forgot about the rear-sets $800 - I am going to have to stop reading this thread !!!
Oh I did make my (untested )crash knobs and number plates myself

Jesus Wharfy is that what it costs you ?
I refuse to throw money at bike racing, its got to be fun and if it costs, it ain't fun for me.
Bike: Bandit , had one !
Tyres: scrounge around for ex race stuff !

Strip bits off that break easy, make numbers and enter !
Race around and have fun ! Brilliant ! Gaz.

ps Even when I was more serious (and younger !) my racing cost bugger all. In the those days you even got prize money !!! If I gave you a breakdown of the 70's you'd cry !

[dickytoo]

I was approached by a kiwi living in sydney who had seen our web page (now gone) and wanted to throw some money behind derek's racing. I said that as a possibility we could do the street races and the north island nats and it would cost about 10K for tyres and sundry expenses.

I never heard back from him! people just don't realise how expensive racing can be.

[wharfy]

Strip bits off that break easy, make numbers and enter !
Race around and have fun ! Brilliant ! Gaz.

Thats how it started !!! - I had the Hornet, but it had done 90,000km so it needed a new shock, so I got a good one, thought I might as well get the forks done. That was worth the money just for road riding. Decided to go racing. Had to have Leathers, back protector and boots. After a couple of rounds I added tyre warmers. If I never race again the only thing that won't be used are the tyre warmers and I guess I could sell them.

Spending money on bike stuff is fun !!!!
It is just a bit sick making when you start keeping track of it !!!

[skeeter]

Of course there is a difference between racing and winning. You can race on a smaller budget but if you want to win you have to out spend the other guy and there is always someone with more money than you!